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[–] vaeax 1 point 45 points (+46|-1) ago 

this is why the concept "settled science" is absolute bullshit

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[–] Deplorablepoetry 1 point 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

“You may be right..., but you may be wroooong”

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[–] theysayso 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I may be crazy....

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[–] DarkCandy 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I was going to say "settled science" is an oxymoron. Bullshit works.

Since I can't post anything yet, I think this song / video is either trying to tell us something (note the words, the visuals -- maybe I am too drunk and reading into things), or brainwash us: 10000 Maniacs -- Candy Everybody Wants

... One image in the video was "We gain our innocence by taking yours."

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[–] coucou 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Agreed! Settled, my ass!

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[–] LaundryDryerPerson 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Just like in the 1870's the established scientific community thought washing your hands before delivering a baby was absurd. It took decades for them to adapt that. Science authorities are great huh? Give your 1-year old 40+ vaccines now!

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[–] Dortex 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Evolutionary biology is settled. It will never be disproven.

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[–] redstarkachina 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

actually there are dimensions of existence that you cannot perceive because you are unaware of them... darwinism is trendy but what about kropotkin?

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[–] Tubesbestnoob 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Even if it weren't, niggers would still be a type of ape.

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[–] Sheeitpost 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

They clearly suppress evolutionary psychology and evolutionary biology because it rattles the researchers and societies paradigms.

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[–] coucou 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Which means that consensus is bullshit! Michael Crichton said it, consensus is not science and science is not consensus.

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[–] phillyjoe 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

And when everyone agrees we call that religion.

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[–] ardvarcus ago 

And when everyone agrees we call that religion.

There has never been a more hotly debated field of human endeavor than religion.

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[–] coucou 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Yes, so 1 + 1 = 2 is a religion. I am a mathematiste.

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[–] GapingAnus 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Consensus is bullshit if the consensus itself is the argument. It usually isn't. Consensus is fairly settled on the number of biological sexes in humans. The fact that there's a consensus is not why it's settled.

The irony of that statement is particularly rich when you consider why Galileo was censured and not the reddit tier explanation for it.

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[–] ardvarcus 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

Consensus is bullshit, period. It is the lowing of a herd of cows in a field.

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[–] coucou ago 

We could put up a list of consensus which have been debunked over the past centuries. Fla t earthers would go apoplectic!

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[–] Doglegwarrior 5 points 1 point (+6|-5) ago 

This makes me think of owen benjamin and his quest to disprove the moon landing using logic and reasoning.

The thing about the moon landing that sealed the deal for me was this.

Go watch and listen to the astrohoaxers while they are on the moon. They are acting like its a fucking sunday pinic. They brought a 400 pound dune buggy. They snuck on some gold clubs. They laugh and joke and fall down. It is comical when you stop and think.

These mother fuckers are 237 thousand miles away from earth and if one tiny minute thing goes wrong they are 100 percent fuckkng dead. A death that is u imaginably horrible no matter how it happens. No one no matter how fucking cool calm collected and stress situation masters would be acting like that.

There is a video of an mma fighter who is about as tough as it gets mentaly and he does under water cave dives. Going to the moon is 1 million times more dangerous and stressfull. I will link it watch the underwater cave diver then go watch the moon shit again. Its a fucking joke.

https://youtu.be/or92IMcLoIc

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[–] phoenix883 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

That generation of men was a thousand times harder than people today. They had little qualms if they lived or died there, as they already had made history. You'd be surprised what mental strength people can have if they aren't babied all their lives, have a stable family to grow up in, a unified society in the towns and cities and a society supporting them.

And they are the hardest of that generation, trained to be as fearless they can be.

You would be astonished what mental strength even the regular Joe would develop today if today's environment would be a unified functional ethnostate.

Also, psychological observation of behavior is not evidence. You couldn't tell if they were too fearless or if today's standard is too pussified.

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[–] NotTheMeanest 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Nope, the definitely didn’t go to the moon - which explains their stressed and anxious countenances in first press conference free they were back. And also why those old timey astronots won’t swear on a bible that they went to the moon. Because they didn’t.

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[–] Doglegwarrior 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I disagree but you were respectfull and made some valid points. I still dont believe it but people can disagree.

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[–] oneinchterror 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

So, do you believe we've never been to the moon period? Or do you just not believe that humans have physically set foot there?

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[–] Doglegwarrior 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Maybe we got probes there. Ive listed 10 solid reasons i dont think humans have gone. Some people very few have gone item by item and came up with some semi logical explanations. The thing that pisses me off is the fact nasa astronaughts are on tape saying we cant go through the van allen belts with out serious shielding then fucking online trolls say yes we can go through the van allen belts who do i believe the 3 different videos with nasa astronaughtz saying we cant oe keyboard troll? Anyways its hard to believe anything from nasa at this point. Google the space station screw ups where people get tangled in strings and shit. Could be a psyops at this point theres so many lies the truth would be impossible to find or believe.

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[–] MrShekelstein ago 

nice strawman.

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[–] ShinyVoater 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

No one no matter how fucking cool calm collected and stress situation masters would be acting like that.

Almost all the Apollo astronauts had test or combat pilot experience - both occupations where just one fuckup anywhere along the line can mean death. This wasn't anything new for them - and Apollo 13 showed just how forgiving the vessels actually were.

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[–] Doglegwarrior 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

This moan hoax thing has helped me realise one thing i will never have to worry about money. Americans are the most gullable people on the planet so selling them shit and telling them its gold would be so easy. No wonder so many scams and ponzi schemes work here shit we let the jews become the richest people with the highest positions of power and we go to their homeland and fight their enemies while 25 of the top richest people in america are jews. Combined net worth over 200 billion while also havif 3 supreme court members! But look how fucking retarded americans are we believe with fucking less computing power then a fucking smart dishwaser we went to the moon, took a gold club head, took a 400 pound dune buggy, took enough tv and radio equipment to send a live signal, flew though radiation belts in a fucking tin can, landed on and then took off of a fucking moon and did it the entire time with the carefree attitude of 14 year old boys on their first trek into the woods! Sure buddy we did that with fucking 1969 technology. I might believe you if they had the proof if nasa had the tapes showing how they did it... ohhh shit nasa the smartest people ever!! Ohh ya we recorded orver all lf the telematry data so ya we cant really go back because that technology is lost. Wake up.

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[–] Dortex ago 

Go watch and listen to the astrohoaxers while they are on the moon. They are acting like its a fucking sunday pinic. They brought a 400 pound dune buggy. They snuck on some gold clubs. They laugh and joke and fall down. It is comical when you stop and think.

Are you implying that their demeanor serves as evidence that they weren't on the moon because they were in danger?

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[–] Doglegwarrior ago 

Of fucking course i am. But that is just cherry on top evidence. Its anacdotyle.

This was my top 10 list of why the moonlandinghoax was and is utter bullshit.

Sure keep believeing that fucking fairy tale.. we went to the moon with less computing power then a fucking walmart wrist watch.

Also the moonlanding story is fucking hillarious.

Every ounce of weight mattered on the original moooon landings. Yet they took a fucking dunemoonbuggy and a golf club!! Lol

They did a live broadcast with a phone call to the president on live tv with almost no delay perfect worked perfect

They went through the van allen radiation belts in a tin and aluminum hull! Lol and 3 different nasa astrounaghts recently said we dont have the technology to get through the van allen belts now one said we would need 5 foot thick lead shield.

Not one picture from the moon or the flight that shows stars for some reason.

The greatesr human achievment and nasa recorded over the telemtry data! Sure right good one lol.

Almost no clear goos pictures of the earth from the moon and not one picture of an astronaught with the earth in the back ground

One timeline with modern technology said 20 years to get to the moon in 1969 they did it faster i guess they had really good tech back then! Lol

The rock buzz aldrin gave to a museum in holland was petrified wood. Lol!

In the interview after they got back one astrobaught said i dont remember seeing any stars! Lol go out and lokk at the sky u will see stars now imagine being on the moon with no atmospher and saying you couldnt see stars

They fucking way they talk during their time on the moon sounds more like guys going to the beach not guys 290,000 miles from earth in the vacum of space where any tiny mistep is certain death. Go back and listen and realise there is no fucking way they should be that gib and relaxed.

Im sure there is more but those 10 things should at least make you raise your eyebrows and think maybe something is not right

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[–] oneinchterror 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I've got a guy on reddit right now arguing with me about how "race realism" is pseudoscience, and to be honest I'm not sure I'm well versed enough on the minutiae and hard data to make a compelling argument for it. (Plus I'm lazy when it comes to internet arguments.) He won't engage at all with any sources I've provided since they're all from "racist cranks". I know I should probably just let it go and study up, but it's a little frustrating. I'm trying to convey that while it's true most biologists/geneticists/psychometricians won't outright state that race realism is legit, a significant portion of them do support all sorts of evidence in its favor, and the conclusion becomes obvious in light of that.

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[–] Acerphoon 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

All these links are helpful. It's: Existence of Race; Racial Diversity; Race and IQ and Race and Crime.
Read these, whenever you need them. On facts and evidence alone, a race denier will never win. Never.

The best a race denier can do is get emotional and cry about you being a racist or whatever. But the facts are 100% on your side, and he won't be able to refute a single one of them. In the links above, the common counter-arguments like "More variation within than between"; "Stereotype threat", etc. are all addressed aswell.

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[–] ItGoesOnAnonAnonAnon 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

There was a recent post here on Voat about the founder(derp) discoverer of DNA getting his scientific awards pulled for the usual leftist BS reasons.

Otherwise, another angle of attack is via IQ, like how Koko the Gorilla had mid-80 IQ but the average Somalian is in the 60s.

Or just how silly it seems that evolution created all these physically different versions of humanity, and yet somehow all of our brains are exactly the same? Similarly, comparing skull shape vs. brain size and its' parts is an interesting one to point out, for example some African tribes (and even some old civs like the Aztecs) have flat foreheads, but if their brain were normal-sized then the flat area is where the (pre?)frontal cortex would be, which controls speech and emotion (iirc).

There's a few angles for you, sorry I don't have sources on hand but those might be helpful to look into.

Edit: derpy crossthrough, didn't think that one through.

2nd edit: conveniently on the front page of /all is this post demonstrating my skull comparison point.

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[–] european 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Iq although highly heritable is not simply genetic potential of intelligence. It is actual intelligence and can be influenced by nutrition and developing environment too.

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[–] CallASpadeASpade 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

If he’s saying race doesn’t exist, give him this link...

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050128221025.htm

Surely he doesn’t think Stanford University are racist cranks.

“The study is by far the largest, consisting of 3,636 people who all identified themselves as either white, African-American, East Asian or Hispanic. Of these, only five individuals had DNA that matched an ethnic group different than the box they checked at the beginning of the study. That's an error rate of 0.14 percent.

‘This shows that people's self-identified race/ethnicity is a nearly perfect indicator of their genetic background,’ Risch said.”*

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[–] 16419378? [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I saw this on youtube and thought it was great so I'll copy it for you here:

Race realists claim: Height gives an advantage in the sport of basketball, so naturally there will be fewer Asians in the NBA because they are genetically predisposed to being shorter, on average, than other races. Blacks will be over-represented because they are genetically predisposed to being taller on average. For this reason, you will never see an African Pygmy professional basketball player.

Marxists claim: there's no such thing as race, race is a social construct, therefore the NBA is a racist organization because it hires a disproportionate number of blacks compared to other races, especially Asians.

Race realists claim: On average, West Africans make better sprinters, East Africans make better long-distance runners, and Europeans make better swimmers, based on data from Olympic medalists. Also, the sherpas in Nepal fare better in high-altitude compared to the tourists they take up Mt. Everest, and Asians out-perform whites on IQ tests.

Marxists claim: Race-realists are white supremacists who believe whites are superior in every way. Also if certain races do better in certain sports or tests that's just down to individual differences or how they were raised.

Race realists claim: Human skull sizes and shapes differ according to race. Crime scene investigators / forensics experts can determine the race (of the three major categories: Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid), gender, and age of human remains based on a skull, or even just a fragment of a skull or other important bones (like the femur).

Marxists claim: CSI and forensics and anthropology is racist, as any two individuals of the same race can have very different skull size and shape. There is more difference within the races than between races! Believing in that is akin to believing in phrenology!

Race realists claim: Asians score higher on all kinds of cognitive tests. That is why they are over-represented in Silicon Valley like Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, and Yahoo!. In fact, at Yahoo! Asians make up more than 50% of the employees despite being such a tiny demographic of the US population because they are genetically predisposed to being intelligent. Since latinos and blacks don't make great programmers, they are under-represented.

Marxists claim: These companies are clearly racist, despite the pressure from social justice advocates and their own diversity chiefs trying desperately to increase the numbers of minorities working there. There should be equal numbers of all races at these companies because everyone has the same average intelligence. This is inexcusable.

Race realists claim: there's more to racial differences than athletic and cognitive abilities. Behavioral differences have also been shown to exist. Blacks tend to be the most promiscuous, while Asians tend to be the least promiscuous. This explains the CDC's findings of higher rates of all STDs in the black community, as well as the higher rates of virginity in countries like Japan.

Marxists claim: any differences in STDs is because of racism, the notion that the Japanese are less likely to engage in casual unprotected sex than Africans is racist.

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[–] geekpuk2 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

Evolution is not settled science. Gravity is not settled science.

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[–] SaveTheChildren 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago 

Gravity doesnt exist. Only density and bouyancy.

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[–] chuckletrousers 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

And what's responsible for bouyancy? Gravity, duh.

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[–] ThirteenthZodiac ago 

I'll take the bait

It's... I'd hope it's not bait, because he's correct.

Science isn't some done deal, and it (almost assuredly) never will be. Science is making observations, making models and predictions that try to explain those observations, then seeing if those models and predictions hold up in new, previously-unobserved situations.

Along with that, you have to be willing to accept that you're wrong. That one counterexample can bring the entire edifice of your understanding of the universe to-date come tumbling down, that at any moment you could have to start again from base principles.

The issue is that today, lots of people don't seem to get this. The whole "climate science" deal is the exemplar of this problem: if you question the "accepted" model, you're ostracized from the community. This means that only people who believe - and "believe" is the right fucking terminology, here - in the model get to be part of that community, and thus will do everything in their power to twist data, ignore evidence, and otherwise anything that would prove them wrong.

Part of the problem, too, is scientific literacy in the general population, and journalists especially. Look at all the hullabaloo over the Higgs Boson, often referred to as "the god particle:" most people can't tell you what the fucking thing does, much less the context for the joke name (the guy in question was calling it "that goddamn particle," because it would be a bitch to find if it even existed, but quite a bit was riding on whether or not it did). Most journalists have no idea what the fuck a p-value is or its significance, or why the fact that outside of physics a p-value of .05 is considered sufficient should absolutely be a major concern.

Gravity isn't science at all, it's a phenomenon.

I feel like you're being a little pedantic, here. No, gravity isn't "science," but it is within the purview of scientific endeavor and, as a natural phenomenon, it falls to science to investigate it. It's not "settled" in the sense that while we've got pretty good models of how gravity works, that work for most cases we're likely to run into in our daily lives, there are some aspects of gravity that are really fucking bizarre, and we're not quite sure why it works the way it does in the edge-cases.

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[–] 16419319? [S] ago 

I was thinking more along the lines of Boasian anthropology or Climate science.

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[–] SaveTheChildren 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

Earth is flat.

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[–] chuckletrousers ago 

And your brain is smooth.

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