[–] justlogin ago (edited ago)
I don't know about Galileo, but Francis Bacon yes and Isaac Newton too.
EDIT: It seems so. https://www.counterbalance.org/angeldem/illum-frame.html https://www.quora.com/Was-Galileo-related-to-the-Illuminati-and-was-he-burnt-alive-by-the-church
[–] stonewallphysics 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
He would know he was almost burned alive for some of his... and yet the scientific method triumphs unitils its scientists of today find that they take scientific positions on climate or biological gender that crosses the dogma of the LEFT they will loose their jobs and teaching positions and in some cases have been recommended for jail or even death.
And I say that's the only way to get a clear and unbiased answer to life's scientific mysteries...
We need the Knights in Python's Comedy to reason with mob on matters of weights and wood to see if it just that our witches be burned for it is only the nobility that can truly speak for science.
Ah scientific discovery has not seen such political interest since the Dark Ages... no doubt the methods of the Catholic Jesuits could be used as a deterrent and should be considered necessary in order to protect the feelings of those that would be offended by such facts or discoveries.
"The true purpose of science is to further the beliefs of the institutions that support the political reasoning's and beliefs of the intellectually smart people of a society and not to forward ideas that would chaff those members."
Reeeeeeeeeeeeee!
[–] Doglegwarrior 5 points 1 point 6 points (+6|-5) ago
This makes me think of owen benjamin and his quest to disprove the moon landing using logic and reasoning.
The thing about the moon landing that sealed the deal for me was this.
Go watch and listen to the astrohoaxers while they are on the moon. They are acting like its a fucking sunday pinic. They brought a 400 pound dune buggy. They snuck on some gold clubs. They laugh and joke and fall down. It is comical when you stop and think.
These mother fuckers are 237 thousand miles away from earth and if one tiny minute thing goes wrong they are 100 percent fuckkng dead. A death that is u imaginably horrible no matter how it happens. No one no matter how fucking cool calm collected and stress situation masters would be acting like that.
There is a video of an mma fighter who is about as tough as it gets mentaly and he does under water cave dives. Going to the moon is 1 million times more dangerous and stressfull. I will link it watch the underwater cave diver then go watch the moon shit again. Its a fucking joke.
[–] Doglegwarrior ago
It was just to show how a metaly tough person dealt with a high preszure situtation. It is apples and oranges to a degree but the way the astrohoaxers where just joking around and playing just seemed unrealistic in context.
Go watch and listen to the astrohoaxers while they are on the moon. They are acting like its a fucking sunday pinic. They brought a 400 pound dune buggy. They snuck on some gold clubs. They laugh and joke and fall down. It is comical when you stop and think.
Are you implying that their demeanor serves as evidence that they weren't on the moon because they were in danger?
[–] Doglegwarrior ago
Of fucking course i am. But that is just cherry on top evidence. Its anacdotyle.
This was my top 10 list of why the moonlandinghoax was and is utter bullshit.
Sure keep believeing that fucking fairy tale.. we went to the moon with less computing power then a fucking walmart wrist watch.
Also the moonlanding story is fucking hillarious.
Every ounce of weight mattered on the original moooon landings. Yet they took a fucking dunemoonbuggy and a golf club!! Lol
They did a live broadcast with a phone call to the president on live tv with almost no delay perfect worked perfect
They went through the van allen radiation belts in a tin and aluminum hull! Lol and 3 different nasa astrounaghts recently said we dont have the technology to get through the van allen belts now one said we would need 5 foot thick lead shield.
Not one picture from the moon or the flight that shows stars for some reason.
The greatesr human achievment and nasa recorded over the telemtry data! Sure right good one lol.
Almost no clear goos pictures of the earth from the moon and not one picture of an astronaught with the earth in the back ground
One timeline with modern technology said 20 years to get to the moon in 1969 they did it faster i guess they had really good tech back then! Lol
The rock buzz aldrin gave to a museum in holland was petrified wood. Lol!
In the interview after they got back one astrobaught said i dont remember seeing any stars! Lol go out and lokk at the sky u will see stars now imagine being on the moon with no atmospher and saying you couldnt see stars
They fucking way they talk during their time on the moon sounds more like guys going to the beach not guys 290,000 miles from earth in the vacum of space where any tiny mistep is certain death. Go back and listen and realise there is no fucking way they should be that gib and relaxed.
Im sure there is more but those 10 things should at least make you raise your eyebrows and think maybe something is not right
[–] chirogonemd ago (edited ago)
I could stand to hear arguments about how these men (a) possessed unbelievable outlier status in terms of mental resiliency and emotional non-volatility and (b) underwent insane training to prepare them mentally for the task and the situation they would be in.
I could hear those arguments.
At the same time, I agree with your points. We know that when human beings enter into situations of non-mastery (places you've never been, places that are dangerous and strange) you are basically frozen in many senses. Now, we could imagine that their training had prepared them to at least not freeze. But to be as relaxed as children on a lower gravity rock 240,000 miles away from the planet your species evolved on, from your home, to see your planet at that distance and realize your isolation, that literally the faintest of mis-steps or miscalculations in so many different variables means you are NEVER getting back....to be playing golf.
It doesn't make sense. Yeah, ostensibly they had made it, but they had to get back too. Great we made it! We can play now! Despite the fact we are going to be attempting to launch a space craft from the surface of a lunar rock - something that has never been accomplished by any person ever - and chances are worse-than-neutral that we ever get home. Knowing that the most important part of the trip was still coming and had margins of error that were tremendously small, you just wouldn't reasonably expect a human being to be this casual, no matter how mentally resilient. Resiliency doesn't mean you are foolish.
To me, the likelihood that these men went to the moon is very, very low. But, perhaps this was something they trained for, i.e. they trained to engage in these casual activities as a technique for managing the insane mental stress they'd be under.
[–] Doglegwarrior 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Man you wrote out my thoughts better then i could have. I am typing from my phone with two thumbs but still even if i had sat down at my computer you explained my point literaly better then i could have. Much thanks. Man there is no way they went to the moon. Do any tiny bit of research on tv signals and the power needed to do a live broadcast and you will realise really quickly there is no way in hell they took enough power to send a signal from the moon to the earth and have i lt sound that good and be distortion free basicaly. Its literaly impossible. The idiots shills say well it was going through the vacum of space so it didnt need that much power. It went 240k miles then it had to still go through the earths athmospher! Its a lie the entire thing was a lie. And they had billions of reasons to lie and it helped defeatt the russians.
[–] oneinchterror 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
So, do you believe we've never been to the moon period? Or do you just not believe that humans have physically set foot there?
[–] Doglegwarrior 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Maybe we got probes there. Ive listed 10 solid reasons i dont think humans have gone. Some people very few have gone item by item and came up with some semi logical explanations. The thing that pisses me off is the fact nasa astronaughts are on tape saying we cant go through the van allen belts with out serious shielding then fucking online trolls say yes we can go through the van allen belts who do i believe the 3 different videos with nasa astronaughtz saying we cant oe keyboard troll? Anyways its hard to believe anything from nasa at this point. Google the space station screw ups where people get tangled in strings and shit. Could be a psyops at this point theres so many lies the truth would be impossible to find or believe.
[–] EnsignPossible ago (edited ago)
Unless the thousands of corrupt (incompetent?) scientists' lies fuel a popular hysteria that causes damage to the innocent. In which case "worth" means power. The individual good scientists can only lament. Which always makes me skeptical of scientists seeking power/control and fame.
There is nothing less popular than being right -Proust