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[–] ichlibejuice 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

rhetoric is not science.

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[–] oneinchterror 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I've got a guy on reddit right now arguing with me about how "race realism" is pseudoscience, and to be honest I'm not sure I'm well versed enough on the minutiae and hard data to make a compelling argument for it. (Plus I'm lazy when it comes to internet arguments.) He won't engage at all with any sources I've provided since they're all from "racist cranks". I know I should probably just let it go and study up, but it's a little frustrating. I'm trying to convey that while it's true most biologists/geneticists/psychometricians won't outright state that race realism is legit, a significant portion of them do support all sorts of evidence in its favor, and the conclusion becomes obvious in light of that.

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[–] 16419378? [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I saw this on youtube and thought it was great so I'll copy it for you here:

Race realists claim: Height gives an advantage in the sport of basketball, so naturally there will be fewer Asians in the NBA because they are genetically predisposed to being shorter, on average, than other races. Blacks will be over-represented because they are genetically predisposed to being taller on average. For this reason, you will never see an African Pygmy professional basketball player.

Marxists claim: there's no such thing as race, race is a social construct, therefore the NBA is a racist organization because it hires a disproportionate number of blacks compared to other races, especially Asians.

Race realists claim: On average, West Africans make better sprinters, East Africans make better long-distance runners, and Europeans make better swimmers, based on data from Olympic medalists. Also, the sherpas in Nepal fare better in high-altitude compared to the tourists they take up Mt. Everest, and Asians out-perform whites on IQ tests.

Marxists claim: Race-realists are white supremacists who believe whites are superior in every way. Also if certain races do better in certain sports or tests that's just down to individual differences or how they were raised.

Race realists claim: Human skull sizes and shapes differ according to race. Crime scene investigators / forensics experts can determine the race (of the three major categories: Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid), gender, and age of human remains based on a skull, or even just a fragment of a skull or other important bones (like the femur).

Marxists claim: CSI and forensics and anthropology is racist, as any two individuals of the same race can have very different skull size and shape. There is more difference within the races than between races! Believing in that is akin to believing in phrenology!

Race realists claim: Asians score higher on all kinds of cognitive tests. That is why they are over-represented in Silicon Valley like Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, and Yahoo!. In fact, at Yahoo! Asians make up more than 50% of the employees despite being such a tiny demographic of the US population because they are genetically predisposed to being intelligent. Since latinos and blacks don't make great programmers, they are under-represented.

Marxists claim: These companies are clearly racist, despite the pressure from social justice advocates and their own diversity chiefs trying desperately to increase the numbers of minorities working there. There should be equal numbers of all races at these companies because everyone has the same average intelligence. This is inexcusable.

Race realists claim: there's more to racial differences than athletic and cognitive abilities. Behavioral differences have also been shown to exist. Blacks tend to be the most promiscuous, while Asians tend to be the least promiscuous. This explains the CDC's findings of higher rates of all STDs in the black community, as well as the higher rates of virginity in countries like Japan.

Marxists claim: any differences in STDs is because of racism, the notion that the Japanese are less likely to engage in casual unprotected sex than Africans is racist.

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[–] ardvarcus 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Never waste your time trying to prove anything you post on social media. The factual evidence you gather will be completely disregarded by the fool who demanded it. You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think.

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[–] hewhoobeysalot 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

raycists ass cracker

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[–] CallASpadeASpade 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

If he’s saying race doesn’t exist, give him this link...

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050128221025.htm

Surely he doesn’t think Stanford University are racist cranks.

“The study is by far the largest, consisting of 3,636 people who all identified themselves as either white, African-American, East Asian or Hispanic. Of these, only five individuals had DNA that matched an ethnic group different than the box they checked at the beginning of the study. That's an error rate of 0.14 percent.

‘This shows that people's self-identified race/ethnicity is a nearly perfect indicator of their genetic background,’ Risch said.”*

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[–] coucou 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Which means that consensus is bullshit! Michael Crichton said it, consensus is not science and science is not consensus.

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[–] GapingAnus 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Consensus is bullshit if the consensus itself is the argument. It usually isn't. Consensus is fairly settled on the number of biological sexes in humans. The fact that there's a consensus is not why it's settled.

The irony of that statement is particularly rich when you consider why Galileo was censured and not the reddit tier explanation for it.

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[–] ardvarcus 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

Consensus is bullshit, period. It is the lowing of a herd of cows in a field.

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[–] coucou ago 

We could put up a list of consensus which have been debunked over the past centuries. Fla t earthers would go apoplectic!

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[–] phillyjoe 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

And when everyone agrees we call that religion.

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[–] ardvarcus ago 

And when everyone agrees we call that religion.

There has never been a more hotly debated field of human endeavor than religion.

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[–] coucou 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Yes, so 1 + 1 = 2 is a religion. I am a mathematiste.

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[–] Doglegwarrior 5 points 1 point (+6|-5) ago 

This makes me think of owen benjamin and his quest to disprove the moon landing using logic and reasoning.

The thing about the moon landing that sealed the deal for me was this.

Go watch and listen to the astrohoaxers while they are on the moon. They are acting like its a fucking sunday pinic. They brought a 400 pound dune buggy. They snuck on some gold clubs. They laugh and joke and fall down. It is comical when you stop and think.

These mother fuckers are 237 thousand miles away from earth and if one tiny minute thing goes wrong they are 100 percent fuckkng dead. A death that is u imaginably horrible no matter how it happens. No one no matter how fucking cool calm collected and stress situation masters would be acting like that.

There is a video of an mma fighter who is about as tough as it gets mentaly and he does under water cave dives. Going to the moon is 1 million times more dangerous and stressfull. I will link it watch the underwater cave diver then go watch the moon shit again. Its a fucking joke.

https://youtu.be/or92IMcLoIc

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[–] 16419411? [S] ago 

That is interesting but I'm not sure it really debunks our ability to go to the Moon or not. It's possible it was a hoax, or part of it was faked for television audiences, but I'm not really sure it matters if we can do it just a few decades later.

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[–] Doglegwarrior ago 

It was just to show how a metaly tough person dealt with a high preszure situtation. It is apples and oranges to a degree but the way the astrohoaxers where just joking around and playing just seemed unrealistic in context.

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[–] Dortex ago 

Go watch and listen to the astrohoaxers while they are on the moon. They are acting like its a fucking sunday pinic. They brought a 400 pound dune buggy. They snuck on some gold clubs. They laugh and joke and fall down. It is comical when you stop and think.

Are you implying that their demeanor serves as evidence that they weren't on the moon because they were in danger?

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[–] Doglegwarrior ago 

Of fucking course i am. But that is just cherry on top evidence. Its anacdotyle.

This was my top 10 list of why the moonlandinghoax was and is utter bullshit.

Sure keep believeing that fucking fairy tale.. we went to the moon with less computing power then a fucking walmart wrist watch.

Also the moonlanding story is fucking hillarious.

Every ounce of weight mattered on the original moooon landings. Yet they took a fucking dunemoonbuggy and a golf club!! Lol

They did a live broadcast with a phone call to the president on live tv with almost no delay perfect worked perfect

They went through the van allen radiation belts in a tin and aluminum hull! Lol and 3 different nasa astrounaghts recently said we dont have the technology to get through the van allen belts now one said we would need 5 foot thick lead shield.

Not one picture from the moon or the flight that shows stars for some reason.

The greatesr human achievment and nasa recorded over the telemtry data! Sure right good one lol.

Almost no clear goos pictures of the earth from the moon and not one picture of an astronaught with the earth in the back ground

One timeline with modern technology said 20 years to get to the moon in 1969 they did it faster i guess they had really good tech back then! Lol

The rock buzz aldrin gave to a museum in holland was petrified wood. Lol!

In the interview after they got back one astrobaught said i dont remember seeing any stars! Lol go out and lokk at the sky u will see stars now imagine being on the moon with no atmospher and saying you couldnt see stars

They fucking way they talk during their time on the moon sounds more like guys going to the beach not guys 290,000 miles from earth in the vacum of space where any tiny mistep is certain death. Go back and listen and realise there is no fucking way they should be that gib and relaxed.

Im sure there is more but those 10 things should at least make you raise your eyebrows and think maybe something is not right

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[–] chirogonemd ago  (edited ago)

I could stand to hear arguments about how these men (a) possessed unbelievable outlier status in terms of mental resiliency and emotional non-volatility and (b) underwent insane training to prepare them mentally for the task and the situation they would be in.

I could hear those arguments.

At the same time, I agree with your points. We know that when human beings enter into situations of non-mastery (places you've never been, places that are dangerous and strange) you are basically frozen in many senses. Now, we could imagine that their training had prepared them to at least not freeze. But to be as relaxed as children on a lower gravity rock 240,000 miles away from the planet your species evolved on, from your home, to see your planet at that distance and realize your isolation, that literally the faintest of mis-steps or miscalculations in so many different variables means you are NEVER getting back....to be playing golf.

It doesn't make sense. Yeah, ostensibly they had made it, but they had to get back too. Great we made it! We can play now! Despite the fact we are going to be attempting to launch a space craft from the surface of a lunar rock - something that has never been accomplished by any person ever - and chances are worse-than-neutral that we ever get home. Knowing that the most important part of the trip was still coming and had margins of error that were tremendously small, you just wouldn't reasonably expect a human being to be this casual, no matter how mentally resilient. Resiliency doesn't mean you are foolish.

To me, the likelihood that these men went to the moon is very, very low. But, perhaps this was something they trained for, i.e. they trained to engage in these casual activities as a technique for managing the insane mental stress they'd be under.

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[–] Doglegwarrior 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Man you wrote out my thoughts better then i could have. I am typing from my phone with two thumbs but still even if i had sat down at my computer you explained my point literaly better then i could have. Much thanks. Man there is no way they went to the moon. Do any tiny bit of research on tv signals and the power needed to do a live broadcast and you will realise really quickly there is no way in hell they took enough power to send a signal from the moon to the earth and have i lt sound that good and be distortion free basicaly. Its literaly impossible. The idiots shills say well it was going through the vacum of space so it didnt need that much power. It went 240k miles then it had to still go through the earths athmospher! Its a lie the entire thing was a lie. And they had billions of reasons to lie and it helped defeatt the russians.

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[–] Butterbread 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Who knows the truth about anything, but I don't buy your argument about their attitude on the Moon. They're fucking on the fucking Moon! On the FUCKING MOON! Can't you imagine how exhilarating that must be? Just seeing the Earth from space is apparently a mind blowing experience. Walking on the Moon probably blows that away.

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[–] Doglegwarrior ago 

Great logic. I dont think u have really thought this through. Sure for a minute or two id be like fuck ya! Then i would relize im 240k miles away one tiny mistake and i die the worst death you can imagine basicaly suffocating while freezing or burning. I mean one tiny tear? Any mistake and dead with no hope. They basicaly showed zero signs of being in the most dangerous enviroment any human has ever been i ln and they all act like its a round of sunday golf on a perfect day. Sure

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[–] Sheeitpost 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

They clearly suppress evolutionary psychology and evolutionary biology because it rattles the researchers and societies paradigms.

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[–] vaeax 1 point 45 points (+46|-1) ago 

this is why the concept "settled science" is absolute bullshit

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[–] Dortex 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Evolutionary biology is settled. It will never be disproven.

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[–] redstarkachina 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

actually there are dimensions of existence that you cannot perceive because you are unaware of them... darwinism is trendy but what about kropotkin?

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[–] Tubesbestnoob 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Even if it weren't, niggers would still be a type of ape.

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[–] DarkCandy 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I was going to say "settled science" is an oxymoron. Bullshit works.

Since I can't post anything yet, I think this song / video is either trying to tell us something (note the words, the visuals -- maybe I am too drunk and reading into things), or brainwash us: 10000 Maniacs -- Candy Everybody Wants

... One image in the video was "We gain our innocence by taking yours."

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[–] coucou 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Agreed! Settled, my ass!

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[–] LaundryDryerPerson 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Just like in the 1870's the established scientific community thought washing your hands before delivering a baby was absurd. It took decades for them to adapt that. Science authorities are great huh? Give your 1-year old 40+ vaccines now!

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[–] Deplorablepoetry 1 point 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

“You may be right..., but you may be wroooong”

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[–] theysayso 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I may be crazy....