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[–] Butterbread 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Who knows the truth about anything, but I don't buy your argument about their attitude on the Moon. They're fucking on the fucking Moon! On the FUCKING MOON! Can't you imagine how exhilarating that must be? Just seeing the Earth from space is apparently a mind blowing experience. Walking on the Moon probably blows that away.

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[–] Doglegwarrior ago 

Great logic. I dont think u have really thought this through. Sure for a minute or two id be like fuck ya! Then i would relize im 240k miles away one tiny mistake and i die the worst death you can imagine basicaly suffocating while freezing or burning. I mean one tiny tear? Any mistake and dead with no hope. They basicaly showed zero signs of being in the most dangerous enviroment any human has ever been i ln and they all act like its a round of sunday golf on a perfect day. Sure

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[–] Butterbread ago 

Maybe you're right. I don't suppose there's anything that would convince you that they were on the Moon, is there? Like, if another nation finds the flag and the rover and footprints up there, would that convince you?

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[–] chirogonemd ago  (edited ago)

I could stand to hear arguments about how these men (a) possessed unbelievable outlier status in terms of mental resiliency and emotional non-volatility and (b) underwent insane training to prepare them mentally for the task and the situation they would be in.

I could hear those arguments.

At the same time, I agree with your points. We know that when human beings enter into situations of non-mastery (places you've never been, places that are dangerous and strange) you are basically frozen in many senses. Now, we could imagine that their training had prepared them to at least not freeze. But to be as relaxed as children on a lower gravity rock 240,000 miles away from the planet your species evolved on, from your home, to see your planet at that distance and realize your isolation, that literally the faintest of mis-steps or miscalculations in so many different variables means you are NEVER getting back....to be playing golf.

It doesn't make sense. Yeah, ostensibly they had made it, but they had to get back too. Great we made it! We can play now! Despite the fact we are going to be attempting to launch a space craft from the surface of a lunar rock - something that has never been accomplished by any person ever - and chances are worse-than-neutral that we ever get home. Knowing that the most important part of the trip was still coming and had margins of error that were tremendously small, you just wouldn't reasonably expect a human being to be this casual, no matter how mentally resilient. Resiliency doesn't mean you are foolish.

To me, the likelihood that these men went to the moon is very, very low. But, perhaps this was something they trained for, i.e. they trained to engage in these casual activities as a technique for managing the insane mental stress they'd be under.

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[–] Doglegwarrior 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Man you wrote out my thoughts better then i could have. I am typing from my phone with two thumbs but still even if i had sat down at my computer you explained my point literaly better then i could have. Much thanks. Man there is no way they went to the moon. Do any tiny bit of research on tv signals and the power needed to do a live broadcast and you will realise really quickly there is no way in hell they took enough power to send a signal from the moon to the earth and have i lt sound that good and be distortion free basicaly. Its literaly impossible. The idiots shills say well it was going through the vacum of space so it didnt need that much power. It went 240k miles then it had to still go through the earths athmospher! Its a lie the entire thing was a lie. And they had billions of reasons to lie and it helped defeatt the russians.

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[–] chirogonemd ago 

Interesting stuff here, man. I honestly feel stupid for having never questioned the signal transmission.

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[–] Dortex ago 

Go watch and listen to the astrohoaxers while they are on the moon. They are acting like its a fucking sunday pinic. They brought a 400 pound dune buggy. They snuck on some gold clubs. They laugh and joke and fall down. It is comical when you stop and think.

Are you implying that their demeanor serves as evidence that they weren't on the moon because they were in danger?

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[–] Doglegwarrior ago 

Of fucking course i am. But that is just cherry on top evidence. Its anacdotyle.

This was my top 10 list of why the moonlandinghoax was and is utter bullshit.

Sure keep believeing that fucking fairy tale.. we went to the moon with less computing power then a fucking walmart wrist watch.

Also the moonlanding story is fucking hillarious.

Every ounce of weight mattered on the original moooon landings. Yet they took a fucking dunemoonbuggy and a golf club!! Lol

They did a live broadcast with a phone call to the president on live tv with almost no delay perfect worked perfect

They went through the van allen radiation belts in a tin and aluminum hull! Lol and 3 different nasa astrounaghts recently said we dont have the technology to get through the van allen belts now one said we would need 5 foot thick lead shield.

Not one picture from the moon or the flight that shows stars for some reason.

The greatesr human achievment and nasa recorded over the telemtry data! Sure right good one lol.

Almost no clear goos pictures of the earth from the moon and not one picture of an astronaught with the earth in the back ground

One timeline with modern technology said 20 years to get to the moon in 1969 they did it faster i guess they had really good tech back then! Lol

The rock buzz aldrin gave to a museum in holland was petrified wood. Lol!

In the interview after they got back one astrobaught said i dont remember seeing any stars! Lol go out and lokk at the sky u will see stars now imagine being on the moon with no atmospher and saying you couldnt see stars

They fucking way they talk during their time on the moon sounds more like guys going to the beach not guys 290,000 miles from earth in the vacum of space where any tiny mistep is certain death. Go back and listen and realise there is no fucking way they should be that gib and relaxed.

Im sure there is more but those 10 things should at least make you raise your eyebrows and think maybe something is not right

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[–] Dortex ago 

Of fucking course i am.

Calm those titties. I'm getting the sense you're neurotic and haven't been in that many life-threatening situations anyway. They're only scary the first two times.

This was my top 10 list of why the moonlandinghoax was and is utter bullshit.

I'm not interested in your list, for the record. I just feel like i should read it because you went through the trouble.

we went to the moon with less computing power then a fucking walmart wrist watch.

Newtonian mechanics aren't that intensive. It's not like they had to calculate all the motions of the planets in the solar system in real time. A few weeks of number crunching, and observations are all you need to throw something accurately.

Yet they took a fucking dunemoonbuggy and a golf club!! Lol

Did you expect astronauts to walk the surface of the moon on their first trip? We barely do that here on Earth, where we know how the terrain is.

They did a live broadcast with a phone call to the president on live tv with almost no delay perfect worked perfect

What's your fist language?

Lol and 3 different nasa astrounaghts

Who?

Not one picture from the moon or the flight that shows stars for some reason.

You can't see starts in sunlight.

Almost no clear goos pictures of the earth from the moon

https://moon.nasa.gov/resources/187/apollo-11-mission-image-view-of-moon-limb-with-earth-on-the-horizon/

not one picture of an astronaught with the earth in the back ground

I linked the last picture to see your response to it. I'm assuming it'll be something like "FAKE". At which point I have to ask: Why bother asking for pictures if you'll just dismiss it as fake? It's the weakest thing to bring up, because you're not willing to change your mind about it. Disregard this if i was wrong about your response.

The rock buzz aldrin gave

Source?

They fucking way they talk during their time on the moon sounds

I know what it's like to be in mortal danger. I'm not seeing the issue here.

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[–] 16419411? [S] ago 

That is interesting but I'm not sure it really debunks our ability to go to the Moon or not. It's possible it was a hoax, or part of it was faked for television audiences, but I'm not really sure it matters if we can do it just a few decades later.

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[–] Doglegwarrior ago 

It was just to show how a metaly tough person dealt with a high preszure situtation. It is apples and oranges to a degree but the way the astrohoaxers where just joking around and playing just seemed unrealistic in context.