"The Waco compound siege was the siege of a compound in Waco. Waco is in texas and there was a siege there in texas where Waco is, of the compound there, which was sieged. This is called the waco siege or Waco compound siege, which is where, in Waco, a compound was sieged during a siege on the waco compound in Waco, in a compound there."
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/pol/ mods censoring ruby ridge threads
Ruby Ridge threads are being censored.
No wonder I couldn't find one. Don't assume I didn't want to also add that to my discussion of how people who ignored the murders of Sammy Weaver and Vicky Weaver at Ruby Ridge, and equally ignored the massacre at Waco, have supported the tyranny which murdered Gary J. Willis.
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[It's the kind of tired that sleep won't fix]
Good night, anon. Sleep the night, but stay erwache. (Sorry for the slow reply — I'm juggling threads manually, because I'm not a goddamn bot. And with apologies for the clumsy German-English mix with a word which should be widely recognizable by rote.)
Bot spam clearly demonstrates that (((somebody))) does not want people connecting Waco and Gary J. Willis in the same discussion!
The bot is now showing up in every thread where I mention both Waco and Gary J. Willis in the same post.
Guess I'm going to bed angry
If a great mass of Americans had felt the same way 25 years ago and done something about it, then you would not need to now worry about a "Red Flag" orders (how fittingly named!) — plus a thousand other features of a tyranny which threatens your life, your liberty, your property, and above all, the posterity of your whole race.
Going to bed angrier now? Good. Sorry, but good. We need that anger. Don't go to sleep — I mean that metaphorically; of course you need to keep your strength.
[–] 16383099? ago
Daily reminder that Waco was the first massacre of Americans by "their" government in broad daylight, and not the last.
The warm-up exercise at Ruby Ridge was most unsatisfying. There, in a military strike on one little family who tried to get "off the grid", the murderers only managed to kill a housewife holding her baby, a 14-year-old youth, and a family dog. What self-respecting defender of (((democracy))) in the "Land of the Free" could consider that more than an appetizer?
What Waco proved for all to see is that if you try to form an intentional community even semi-detached from the System, then the System will mobilize tanks, attack helicopters, and goddamn Delta Force to kill everybody you care about with slow suffering and destroy everything you've ever built. Then, the (((media))) will inform the public that you were mentally ill paedophilic violent criminal cult members who committed mass-suicide. If anybody tries to avenge you, he will be vilified as a "domestic terrorist", and disavowed by ostensible "patriots" and "nationalists" because he broke the "laws" of a System whose only law is mass brainwashing backed by brute force. A quarter-century later, if you are lucky, a few unhappy individuals will keep your memory alive by heroically striving to save a /pol/ thread about you from being slid out of the catalog.
If you are such an unhappy individual, then you may be summarily swatted like an insect by a few low-level grunts — as was the recently deceased Gary J. Willis, or numerous similar examples over the past few decades who were shot to death in their own homes, then soon forgotten. But the real fireworks will start if you commit the ultimate crime of founding a sustainable community which lives like this:
((("God"))) forbid! Taking this concept to the ultimate degree, don't forget that Hitler's greatest crime was detaching an entire nation from the system of international finance, and making Germany a near-autarky. The greatest crime in this world is independence. Indeed, the (((hostis humani generis))) has decreed that total sovereign independence is a "crime against humanity".
If you get your family "off the grid", you risk becoming the next Ruby Ridge. If you build a functional small community with real long-term prospects, then you may expect the Waco treatment. And if you somehow manage to obtain a country of your own, then a war of the entire world will be made against you.
[–] 16383101? ago
Naturally, as would any system with self-preservation mechanisms. What going off the grid means is to create a city-state that is ungoverned and unaccountable to the system that has, by various rights, laid claim to that land now being taken by those not of its system. Any governmental system that would allow its own territories to be taken up by those who want separation from that system would soon cease to exist as various powers would grow to the point of doing serious damage to that system.
Now, most of the time the troubles for these little off-gridders starts on the local level. Local governments, particularly those that have low populations (i.e. low tax bases), will care a lot if suddenly a new city incorporates in it that might upset the local political ecosystem. Look at Rajneeshpuram and how they ran into problems mainly due to local groups and townships first because the cultists overwhelmed local political processes without taking complete hold.
Following that model, there are two strategies if you want to go and make your own township. Either:
The former requires city and county governance takeovers in order to shape laws and ordinances in your group's favor. The latter requires your group to be basically so disinteresting on the surface that it hides in plain sight and doesn't threaten the system. If you pay your taxes and don't upset politics, they won't even know you exist.
This is more to the point of a different thread, but basically if the goal of your off-gridding is to just disappear and not be bothered by the state, then just pay your taxes if any and live in your own little cabin or commune where governance doesn't notice you. If your goal is to create a society that is suitable for your posterity, that will require political action and is incompatible with off-gridding unless it is in truly ungovernable territory.
[–] 16383102? ago
This anon gets it — mostly, I think.
In questioning or elaborating on a few points, I will avoid red herrings of comparing various groups said to be cults, save to observe that the Davidians did not proselytize, and were generally well-liked by their neighbors.
I think it is important for people to understand why the Davidian community was offensive to the System on a very deep level.
Like the Davidians?
Yes, I know that White niggers who insufficiently serve (((massa))) are guilty of "tax evasion", a crime worse than rape and murder. I presume that the Davidians were not guilty of this "crime" — for if they were, they certainly would have been accused of it.
Paying taxes requires possession of the Federal Reserve trading stamps which American slaves use instead of money. The Davidians apparently obtained these trading stamps with a gun business, for which they had a legal FFL. I did say they were "semi-detached from the System".
To be clear, I don't think that "tax protestors" do any favors for their posterity by painting a big target on their backs over this one issue. I view the issue with strict pragmatism: In wartime, a man must do things which are unpleasant, sometimes even outright criminal. It is indeed criminal to support the System with tax payments; I only excuse those few who do so for a strategic advantage, so that they can maintain the freedom of action to escape the System in other ways, or even harm it outright. I suppose that is your point here; if so, we don't disagree.
Like the Amish, and similar old sects? I do expect that if the Amish were new, they would get the Waco treatment, despite their obscene pacifism.
Otherwise, what the hell is the point? If not for the motive of posterity, there is really no reason not to move to the city, scratch up some jewbucks, and screw as many whores as you can. Masturbating in the backwoods achieves nothing more; and it is considerably less fun, by most people's standards.
Everybody dies. The sum total value of a man's life is only in what he leaves behind him.