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197/yr

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academic journals 20,000/yr

I would hardly count this as a wide availability of alternative information.

You have worked yourself into a froth, full of self-righteous indignity.

People hated what happened at RR and Waco

The reason they did nothing was the quick succession of the events, and the VERY problematic nature of Waco

RR proceeded forward through the justice system. The GenPop is reasonably correct to await the pronouncements of 'Justice' because RR would be a defeat for the government, the best way: by their own devices in Court.

David Koresh was a wacko. Pure and simple. The Brand Davidians were a cult. Pure and simple.

Not many people liked what happened at Waco, and there was strong talk, but the problematic nature of the Waco Cult meant that you could never go far to defend them before someone pointed out they were a wacko cult. Just like I am doing to you now.

This is the problem with attaching your cause to wackos. You give the Government a much freer hand to crack down.

Waco is such a shitty cause to attach to, it watered down the RR incident because people were really getting angry about it as the facts trickled out.

And trickle out they did. Even IF you listened to fringe radio or received fringe publications (which you paid for because you believed in conspiracies, had strange and flawed ideology, or had an axe to grind, or were just displaying your personal craziness that way, we've all got it), you didn't get much information about it.

Then WHAM, a group of wackos endures a 2-month siege.

People were angry about it but if it happened today it would be called a FF event by the Jonesians, that's how much it torpedoed support for Populist Militia.

I've been of the opinion that more than OKC, Waco destroyed the growing Militia Movement. Now people who got together with semi-automatic, military-style weapons, could be equated to the Waco Cult.

Prior to that, you could look at RR and say "Gee, I should have more weapons and connecitons than what Randy Weaver had, he got hung out there on his own."

After Waco, it was "Oh yeah, those wackos down in Texas had a whole cash of weapons. Just what am I doing here, offering to help the police search for missing children out inawoods? And that guy over there, he ain't quite right. Maybe I won't show up for next week's muster."

Waco is cancer. Koresh is a poison. The Davidians were toxic.

On top of it, Timothy McVeigh then killed children, which scuttled any and all moral superiority left in the Militia movement. That movement then swiftly petered out, and not until about 15 years ago when BLM madness and accelerating anti-white hate propaganda became blatantly obvious on our EASILY ACCESIBLE AND WIDELY AVAILABLE FORM OF ALMOST-FREE ALTERNATIVE MEDIA, did the militia movement arise again.

And then, only with almost complete reasonableness. As we saw at the Bundy Standoff, when most groups would support defending Bundy assets, but not actually go on the Offensive against a government asset. Because the militia and citizens movement GREW THE FUCK UP AFTER WACO.

You are a very good shill, or delusional, or just a smart kid. But I wish you'd shut the fuck up with your DivertProp about it, young boy, or Chang, or Yuri, or FBI, or whatever the fuck you think you are.

t. I was alive, aware, informed, and connected at the time.

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[–] 16383134? ago 

that's how much it torpedoed support for Populist Militia.

The 90's militia movement saw a tank in support not due to waco and ruby ridge but all the laws states and clinton passed after the event of waco and OKC. shut the fuck up.

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[–] 16383135? ago 

talking good sense

Ssh, you are ruining this Responsible Conservative's carefully constructed rationalization for the compromises, inaction, and politically correct recitations which he futilely hopes will earn him the (((ADL))) kosher seal.

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[–] 16383088? ago 

Jubilee journalist imprisoned [not named here]

>>12443312

Everything we are talking about was all known and expected and discussed in the "alternative media" in 1993!

I think it's important to keep awareness of contemporaneous sources of information. I decided to start by taking a crack at Jubilee, given its ideological remoteness from Liberty Bell. A quick web search found what appears to be the text of a contemporaneous Jubilee article about the Waco massacre — posted on a Christian Identity website, undated, and freely interpolated with the web proprietor's opinions. I do not know if that is the same article as that to which Dr. Oliver referred, although it appears to be.

I will not link to unreliable, interpolated, improperly attributed text; the search must continue when time permits. Yet as I skimmed through the Biblically educated Christian verbiage, this caught my eye:

Louis Beam, a reporter for The Jubilee Newspaper… was jailed.

Is that the imprisoned reporter to whom Dr. Oliver referred? I don't know. If so, as seems most likely, then it is remarkable, but not surprising! Unless there were two men named "Louis Beam" behaving disrespectfully toward Yahweh's Master Race in the relevant time period, he must be one of the men who beat what the Feds had been intended to be a great show trial in Fort Smith, Arkansas in 1988.

For those who don't know: The Federal witlings charged a grab bag of fourteen mostly unrelated defendants with conspiring together to overthrow the government of the United States. Their intended show-trial fell flat because, rather than availing themselves of one of their many kangaroo courts, they inadvertently pitched their trumped-up charges in a courtroom which featured an old-school honest judge, Morris Arnold, whose great-grandfather had been a Confederate officer — and who was overheard to remark in the courthouse cafeteria that he wanted "this garbage over with" because he had "important cases to try".

Judge Arnold kept the trial honest, making the usual jewridical tricks impossible. The jury's verdict was acquittal of all defendants on all charges. Afterwards, a pretty blonde female juror married one of the other defendants, David McGuire. The whole farce was a humiliation for the ZOG.

Mr. Beam ran his own defense, and started his opening statement with this courageous oratory: "You will be told that I and Pastor Butler and Pastor Miles are enemies of this government. This is the truth. The federal government is my enemy and by the time this trial is over you will understand that the government is your enemy, too."

Interesting to see him turn up at Waco…

For a brief summary of Mr. Beam's adventure at the Forth Smith Sedition Trial (and the torture inflicted on his loyal wife), see J.B. Campbell, "Louis and Sheila", Liberty Bell, May 1994, pp. 16-31, from which I have drawn details in the above description.