[–] Are_we_sure 4 points -4 points 0 points (+0|-4) ago (edited ago)
This statement by Trump is false
it was no secret he was interested in putting a Trump Tower in Moscow
It was definitely a secret and he lied about this during the campaign and after. His family also lied about this deal. His lawyer was working with/appealing to the office of Vladimir Putin to make this deal happen.
as a private citizen, he had every right to build in Russia; so
Trump signed a letter of intent to build this building and that letter stated that finding would come from VTB, a bank under US sanctions. Building in Moscow meant working with the government of a hostile nation, we had sanctioned Russia over their illegal invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea. Sanctions that are still in effect.
there was no reason for Cohen to lie to Congress, and if he did lie, it had nothing to do with the president
Sure there was Trump had lied about this deal and was still lying about it. Cohen mentioned that there was no way to tell the truth and remain consistent with the president's "political messaging."
So we see the lying continues. Does this mean the campaign colluded? Not in and of itself, but it's very damming when taken together with what already know.
[–] Stonenchizel [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I'm sorry @Are_we_sure but your opinions don't make what you say true.... Do some research, Cohen has proven himself a liar & has lied to Congress & that makes him a unreliable witness & Cohen is now saying whatever Mueller wants him to say to try & shorten his prison sentence reduced because of his crimes he committed on his own accord. Plus in 2016 Trump was a private citizen who had every right to do business like any other citizen. Like Trump said it was not a secret that he intended to build a hotel in Russia & he didn't become president until January 20th 2017 so Mueller can try & make another associate of Trump to lie about Trump & Russia to also try & impeach Trump because at this point Mueller is only trying to save his own ass from being exposed as one of the dirty players in Uranium One.... Plus Mueller has a lot more to lose since he didn't do his job as FBI Director & trust me all the truth is coming out about Muellers past crooked dealings & the list is huge.
[–] daddyreagan 0 points 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago
can you link me the crooked dealings of mueller fellow patriot?
[–] Are_we_sure 0 points 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago
I'm sorry @Are_we_sure but your opinions don't make what you say true....
I completely agree. Which is why my facts are solid.
Do some research, Cohen has proven himself a liar & has lied to Congress & that makes him a unreliable witness
Do some research, criminals are convicted on the testimony of the fellow liars and criminals all the time. See how John Gotti was convicted. See how Paul Manafort was convicted on testimony of liar/criminal Rick Gates
The basic premise of a cooperation agreement is you are working with someone who has committed crimes and you want truthful testimony from them. For this reason, cooperation agreements require you to come clean on ALL your crimes and if you are found lying the cooperation agreement is voided and the crimes you just plead guilty on expose you to the maximum penalties.
Mueller will also be working from emails and other documentation that show what was going on. It be more than just the word of Micahel Cohen.
As for lying is Trump an unreliable witness? He lied for two years about this deal in Moscow and then just admitted it. What do his lies say about his verity?
Cohen is now saying whatever Mueller wants him to say to try & shorten his prison sentence reduced because of his crimes he committed on his own accord.
Cohen testified in court that some of his crimes he committed at the direction of Donald Trump or to be in alignment with what Donald Trump had already said.
Plus in 2016 Trump was a private citizen who had every right to do business like any other citizen. Like Trump said it was not a secret that he intended to build a hotel in Russia & he didn't become president until January 20th 2017
Whether or not Trump had the right to do this business, he absolutely kept it secret from the voters and it was such an important secret that Michael Cohen and others lied about it even when lying would be a crime. It's a lie to say this was not a secret. Trump said over and over again, he had nothing to do with Russia, he had no business there. This was a lie he kept from Republican voters in the primaries and a lie he kept from voters in the general election. Trump did not tell anyone as his campaign removed anti-Russian language from the GOP party platform that he might have had a personal profit-based reason for doing so. This was not simply doing business in another country. This was doing business in Moscow where business is tied to the government and the only way this deal would come off if the Kremlin approved the permits and the financing. So making Putin happy could be profitable for Trump and this was an issue long before Jan 2017.
Mueller is only trying to save his own ass from being exposed as one of the dirty players in Uranium One...
What did you say about opinions not being true?
[–] EmJayGee 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
A guilty plea isn't proof of anything at all. That's not how law nor proof work.
More generally is means that the person chose to claim responsibility for some action, usually in exchange for some reduced sentence or speedier trial. It can be evidence for further legal action which usually carries weight since the person swore that they had committed such crime and often as part of the deal signed an affidavit claiming that others committed related crimes.
[–] Stonenchizel [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
Great comment @EmJayGee ...........😉👌
[–] EmJayGee 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I think people apply hard logic principles to soft human situations incorrectly. You always hear about people "proving" things about politics or anthropology. Even "settled law" isn't, that's why we have a system of courts. My background is math and computers and I'm Asperger's so I love hard truth and wish there was some of it with people but it's just not there; the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll start to make more sense of it all.