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[–] 14747243? ago 

Unfortunately, The Fed sells most of the bonds they have bought over the years to individuals, most of my relatives hold government bonds they expect to sell to finance their retirement! Failing to pay this debt will destroy millions of hard working people’s savings!! :(

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[–] 14746348? ago 

Incurred BY insurrection or rebellion. NOT all debt PERIOD.

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[–] 14749643? ago 

What needs to be taken into account is that the kind of money we are talking about is way higher than countries generally deem necessary to go to war over.

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[–] 14746685? 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

The Federal Reserve Note cannot Constitutionally be "tender in the payment of debts":

1) Congress is not granted any authority in the Constitution to make anything whatsoever "tender in the payment of debts."

2) The Constitution grants the power of controlling what is, or is not, "tender in the payment of debts" to the several states.

3) The several states are Constitutionally prohibited from making anything other than gold and silver coins "tender in the payment of debts."

US Sovereign debt cannot be Constitutionally paid back for that reason alone. That said, I think the 14th Amendment argument also has merit, as does the legal requirement that contracts be for a legal purpose. Funding Unconstitutional government programs is not a legal purpose. Nor is using "money" that can't Constitutionally be money to fund the government, nor using it to bind the Federal government to repayment thereof.

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[–] 14743163? 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Hmmmmm... interesting.

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[–] 14744769? 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Nice Find !

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[–] 14746299? ago 

A falsified debt is no debt at all. All fraudulent debts are void ab initio. End the Fed and implement Mathematically Perfected Economy, job done.

THE PURPORTED QUESTION OF WHO SHOULD ISSUE THE CURRENCY

“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance.” - James Madison.

A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is loyalty to that principle.

George William Curtis

In order to represent the related obligation, currency comes into circulation as a debt. In order to duly represent the wealth, its trade, and its consumption, in mathematically perfected economy™ the debt is not subject to interest, the related obligation is not multiplied by unearned taking, and the unmultiplied obligation is paid at the rate of consumption of the related asset.

Regardless of whoever issues the currency, the real debt is to the producer of the wealth, who accepts the currency as a token of the resultant obligation.

Ordinarily then, as our Parable of Perfect Economy tells of the American Colonial system, a debtor would issue a note (promise to pay) to the possessor/producer of wealth, who is the real creditor.

The natural creditor is not loaning the debtor money, for none exists for the transaction or the debtor would not have to issue a note. Under these natural conditions then, the debtor is the natural issuer of money.

Not only are the people the natural issuers of money then; it is necessary to issue just this money at this juncture of the distribution of new production, or we suffer deficient circulation to sustain commerce (deflation).

Moreover then, without a further devised monetary system, no one even could reasonably issue promises to pay (money), but debtors.

WHY ACCEPT THE DEBT WITHOUT INTEREST?

So if we took these debts with interest, then should we need alike to issue or accept credit, our taking and paying would cancel each other's, and there wouldn't even be any ultimate point of this.

Furthermore, especially if different rates of interest might be presumed, we would involve ourselves in much effort and even strife, determining a just rate of interest which still would inevitably cancel in the paying and taking of just interest.

But any preoccupation with interest would absolutely be for nought if we could eliminate potential loss to every creditor, that we cannot even say risk exists, ostensibly to justify interest.

How would we do that?

Even presently in fact, government already attempts to ensure that creditors are delivered on debts, even as the very interest of the imposed monetary system introduces an entirely artificial risk, and multiplies that artificial risk until fulfillment of the perpetually multiplying obligations is inevitably impossible.

So the structure and even the intent already exist, except that the interest of the purported monetary system ultimately makes the success of the system impossible.

But in mathematically perfected economy™ (alone), the remaining value of the related property always makes it possible to recoup the remainder of the entire remaining obligation in the form of the very property itself.

So mathematically perfected economy™ imposes no risk or stress on the present infrastructures, which can be extended little to represent their further interest of eradicating the consequences of usury.

WHO WOULD LOAN MONEY IF IT WERE NOT SUBJECT TO INTEREST?

No one needs to loan money at interest under mathematically perfected economy™ then, because all necessary supplies of it can be jointly issued and even certified by the natural issuers of the currency — the very people.