[–] Omnidempotent ago (edited ago)
The central problem you're having with this, beside your naive autism, is that you are assuming there is symmetry between whites and jews, that we're all fundamentally the same. This is wrong. You, as a white, might think as an individualist, but the other races (and especially the jews) do not think this way. They have an explicit racial consciousness that whites are sorely lacking. It is this conscious that drives them to act and speak in their race's interest.
It is this racial reality that acts as context for everything ben shapiro says. He, fundamentally, does not have your interests at heart, only those of his kin. And everything he does is motivated by this, even if he happens to disagree (on the surface) with other jews on how to defend jewry. Or, if that is too "extreme" for you, he does or says nothing that would be against his racial interests. That's why he is such a strong civnat instead of an identitarian. He fears whites gaining a racial consciousness because he knows that would be bad for jews.
This is the reason they give to be racist against white males, because by definition everything white males say and do is to push white patriarchy.
You are correct that this is absurd. Today's whites are too deeply individualist for this argument to make sense. They are simply projecting their own racial consciousness on to us. Instead of stubbornly rejecting racial reality and living in some abstract world of arguments and ideas, however, we should take a page from their book and awaken as a race and look at reality as it is plain before our eyes.
[–] Omnidempotent ago
Again, you're talking as if jews and whites are the same. They are not. You are, again, ignoring context and abstracting away the details.
[–] Soyboy69 ago
Who they are and their position in society, if I knew a random jew who isn't in a position of any kind of power or where they are a mouthpeice then I'd be much more willing to give the idea that he isn't pushing jewery, but when it's a public figure that brings into the question of how and why they got to that position.
[–] canbot ago
The thing is you think this is an intelligent way to think when it is in fact ignorant. That you are absolutely sure you're right doesn't change that fact. I keep trying to show you how this line of reasoning fails by using an example that you aren't emotionally anchored to but you just claim that it's different. It's not different. It is dumb to assume you know the motivations of everyone, even if everyone in your group of crazies agrees with you.
Secondly, it's not enough that you assume they are solely self interested and incapable of any altruism; which isn't that crazy on it's own, but then you assume that if it's good for someone else it must be bad for you. That is not how it works. That logic falls apart when blacks blame whitey, and it's no different when you use it.
White people don't hold niggers back and Jews aren't holding you back.