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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Firstly, that's inaccurate, it's possible for individuals to learn behaviour which runs contrary to their instincts. Secondly, I don't see any new statments there, you've effectively just rephrased what oVo said several different ways.

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[–] flyawayhigh 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

it's possible for individuals to learn behaviour which runs contrary to their instincts.

Sure, all kinds of things are theoretically possible in a metaphysical sense, but nobody is teaching them. Rather, the teaching has cut the other way, and it's been a dismal failure. I am sure you can find plenty of studies on this. I recommend the early "identical twins reared apart" studies. :D

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[–] Broc_Lia ago 

People don't have to be overtly taught a certain thing to learn it. Take sexual fetishes for example, I doubt their parents/teachers sat them down and taught them that "whips are good, chains are better." Equally, trying to unteach these things, or teach against them doesn't seem to work either.

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[–] o_V_o 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

If sexual orientation is not born-in, then heterosexual orientation is not born in.

No one is saying it is... in fact, I'm of the opinion that bi-sexuality is the default for mammals.

Bisexual Species: Unorthodox Sex in the Animal Kingdom

(disregard the lack of CSS formatting, it's a cached version of Richard Dawkins' old site... but it's the only place to find the entire article without a paywall) EDIT: ok... I guess not.. will try to find a different link - which sucks because that was the only place I could find the whole article last time this came up)


individual animals generally cannot be classified as gay or straight: an animal that engages in a same-sex flirtation or partnership does not necessarily shun heterosexual encounters. Rather many species seem to have ingrained homosexual tendencies that are a regular part of their society. That is, there are probably no strictly gay critters, just bisexual ones. "Animals don't do sexual identity. They just do sex," says sociologist Eric Anderson of the University of Bath in England.


People seem to forget that humans are animals. We weren't "designed".... there are very few things that are "fixed" or inherent.. the only thing "life" cares about is what's advantageous.

Can't get into this too much more (really just copying old comments I made), I'm at work and everything I would need to look up would.. well, I'd rather not have to explain my browser history if someone asks (mostly because it will become glaringly obvious that I'm not working if anyone notices..lol)

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[–] o_V_o 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Spend a little time thinking about what this means. It means neither is entirely inborn, and in fact, choosing a "preference" is unnatural

That's not what it means at all. That's actually a really bizarre interpretation of what's tantamount to "animals are bi-sexual by default". I'm not seeing how that doesn't support "my" theory.

BTW, have you ever met a lesbian who hasn't been shaped (so to speak) by negative male interactions? If males are visual... (and what they see is unattractive...)

BTW 2: ^ That's also a big part of why even straight men spend more time looking at other men's crotches than women

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[–] o_V_o 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I am thinking about it and I don't think there is any logical rule that all uncontested statements are true. In fact, I'm pretty sure there is not.

Forgot this part: I'm glad you said something, but maybe try not to focus on the things that are obviously there to goad people in to responding. This also seems to be a tactic of people without any real argument.

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[–] zedoktar 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

I think its a social construct. Sexual orientation is born in, to a degree. Some people are going to be purely straight or purely gay, a lot will be on the spectrum. Women who float around the spectrum are way more accepted than men. That acceptance is a social construct which is rigid. Plenty of women consider bi men tainted, and I have heard that gay men often have major disdain for bi guys, telling them to pick a side or that they are just partly in the closet and need to be all the way gay. Women don't have that same pressure. Most guys seems love lipstick lesbians, (two chicks at the same time dude!) or consider it not real sex if a dick isn't involved. Lesbian women might be just as accepting, I'm not really sure on that one.