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[–] Oswy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

No such thing as "Mexico" for such purposes. It's a fucking massive and varied place. You'd have to look at distinct families, villages, institutions and families, really. That even applies for a much smaller place like Puerto Rico. I know a man from there, descendant of that Ponce bloke, who's very Spanish still, after all these centuries, but that's after a lot of inbreeding to keep the dark genes out!

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[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] ago  (edited ago)

Some places would be more Spanish than others. Chiapas less than, say, Sonora. This isn't hard. We're talking an average here. Similarly, I am more English than Mike Tyson. In the time of Thomas Jefferson, as Chesterton noted, Virginia could still be said to look something like an English countryside. But after the influx of Slavs, say, he noted the Anglo-Saxon character of the US had declined.

Mexico specifically, like the former Spanish colonies in Latin America generally, is a place where Spain imposed a dominant culture. To varying degrees this holds everywhere. Certainly nationally. Though it is 'pluricultural' or some such officially. And to be clear it is a matter that extends well beyond how many injuns are in this or that family tree.

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[–] cattarhero 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Well, consider, they're still speaking the language, practicing the religion, and naming their children after their former Spanish masters. That, and they have made no effort, that I'm aware of, to have the hundreds of billions of dollars worth of treasure looted from their countries by the Spanish repatriated. I guess that's because said treasure wound up at the headquarters of the aforementioned religion.

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[–] Oswy ago 

The Rojos sent Spain's gold to Moscow in 1937! I suppose it ended up in the Fed after all the lend-lease stuff, ultimately to have been spirited away into rich men's private hands in our own day...

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[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If we used a scale of 1-10 with 10 being very Spanish I'd say Latin America is in the 6-7 range with Mexico being about that. Certainly considerably more Spanish than the Senegalese are French at any rate.

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[–] Quaestorr 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I presume that Argentina and Chile are more Spanish than Mexico, because I presume the population is more European, less mestizo than Mexico's.

But I know very little about this.

Btw didn't we have a sort of convo like this here before? Iirc you told me that 'white' in the Latin-American context could indicate some Indian blood on the maternal side of the family, and the first wave of settlers (in SSA) being male (European) Spaniards, many of who had an Indian wife. And iirc Osweo then joined in to elaborate on, cq. correct some more of my assumptions...

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[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Latin American whiteness standards are pretty shoddy if that is what you mean. If we were to look at this question solely in terms of race Latin America might score below a 5. But there is the issue of cultural dominance. The Spanish imposed their language, religion, customs, and to some extent genetics on mostly Indians. Also their political and social structure. Though of course the influence of blacks and Indians remain.