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[–] pcdude 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

This one is not a product of big government or socialism. This has its roots in unions, and before that guilds that go back 2500 years. Ultimately people want assurances that they are getting high quality services, and guilds are supposed to be able to offer that. If there was a big reset on everything, guilds would form naturally. The problem is less with the concept of licensing and code restriction and more with government getting involved in it. Introduce government and you introduce cronyism and corruption.

It the government stepped out, you would have private guilds enforcing most of the same things in order to ensure quality work that keeps them looking good and keeps the wages at the highest that a free market will tolerate.

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[–] truthwoke33 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

The ESRB is a great example. Back when Doom and Mortal Kombat were making headlines, a bunch of people in the industry got together to form an independent ratings system to avoid government oversight. Outside of small release independent titles, it's essentially impossible to to actually sell a game without an ESRB rating which requires you pay a fee to receive one.

And thank God they did it. Could you imagine, given the modern social climate, the nightmare that games development would be if the government were involved in regulations of content? I shudder to wonder.

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[–] captainstrange 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Without the state, unions would have no teeth

Without the state the unions would just hire thugs to kick in your teeth.

Every group of people eventually becomes a gang.

Licensing 'unions' are to control the supply of some service or product, and so keep prices high--they are a natural response to governments importing spics and streetshitters to artificially manipulate prices lower.

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[–] 9-11 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

OP is talking about the licensing part, not unions.

  • Doctors
  • Engineers
  • Lawyers
  • Morticians
  • Electricians

Which one do you think an imposter should be able to impersonate?

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[–] pcdude ago 

They did before the government got involved. Before the government the thugs were either privately hired or they locked you out of markets by denying you acceptance to guild endorsement. People will naturally go for guild endorsed devices because it eliminates a lot of the risk that what you get is inferior.

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[–] prairie 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Unions are fine as long as they don't initiate force (or use government to do it indirectly). They are free to exercise control over their own property and bodies, and if they want to organize as groups who consistently exercise control over themselves, more power to them.

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[–] pcdude ago 

That’s a corrupt union. Government corrupts these things when they are allowed to mix. It can get bad, but not nearly as quickly or permanently when government lacks the power to grant unions favors.

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[–] i_scream_trucks 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

easy way to find out if there already is one, do a quick search for well regarded companies in your area and have a look usually at the bottom of their website, they usually list logos of the guilds etc that theyre registered to.

THAT BEING SAID - i worked for an 'ASEAN' signatory company, ASEAN says 'illegal for guards to be paid as contractors so you will not pay them that way' manager sends me an email asking for an Australian Business Number he can pay my tax to. Was told to go fuck himself. Got fired.

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[–] DeliciousOnions 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

DIY communities are a good alternative to overpriced services. Beaner girls in my area are known for getting nursing degrees and then never working - instead they give basic healthcare services off the books.

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[–] 1HepCat 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah I was thinking the only way, within the system, is to accept the consequences, break the unjust laws and start a black/gray market. After a few decades people will eventually come around. E.g., marijuana.

Otherwise, yeah, you've gotta pick your poison regarding local ordinances. If having a free market for electricians is important to you, there's probably a place where that can happen although there are probably plenty of other negatives that overwhelm the benefit.

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[–] HillbillyGoat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

In some places, you can't even braid hair or wash dogs without going through a training program and getting "certified" and licensed. As a non-roofer, I'm a better roofer than most licensed professionals in my area. Occupational licensing is just a means to restrict competition and protect the brotherhood. It needs reigning in, badly.

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[–] worthlesshope 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I've met a lot of shitty people in professions. I actually wish the hiring process could be stricter to either filter or teach those people to be a better person.

Even with florists. I haven't actually met any expert florists. Perhaps they get paid too highly to run a corner store though and only personally work for large corporations(like huntington gardens) or something I don't know. But I'd seriously visit a good florist often if they could actually advise me on my floral problems when I had them.

Such as I wanted a meaningful bouquet for a funeral. Also it involves cultivation and I have a black thumb, so I'd like some advise on how to actually keep my flowers alive.

And yea for other stuff like electricians people's lives are on the line. If you loosen those up you'll just have a lot of illegal immigrants saying "yea I can do that" when they actually can't do that, but only care about finding labor they can easily get paid for.

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[–] Mimar 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'm an Electrician, 11 years in. I won't ever ask for the trade schooling to be reduced. Its too easy to kill people if you don't know what you're doing. For me I did 4 years of schooling and had to get 4k hours of work experience to gain my Journeymen card. With the fly by night operators or the out of staters that come in and give us a bad name, I think the laws should be stricter.

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[–] CRKT_M16Z 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Side topic: I wish more people considered trade schools as viable education options over traditional college.

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[–] smashbery 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

i wish my fucking GI bill worked for trade schools as it did for universities. i would have loved to be a helicopter pilot but with out some extreme hoops and big money out of my pocket i could not do it. however i can stack up all the liberal arts i could ever want. what a joke

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[–] StagOfMull 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Seriously, I am convinced most people don't actually understand how dangerous working with electricity is. In school almost daily we had professors tell us that this can kill you or someone else.

It's something that anyone can do, but not a lot can do well and safely. I've seen plenty of hobbyists/DIY guys have stuff wired in such a way that they could have easily killed themselves without trying.

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[–] i_scream_trucks 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Ive got no issue with certifications and licensing for professions that have a chance of seriously fucking shit up if you get it wrong.

i would not work with an unlicensed security guard because at the very least i know the dude has passed a background check and has done the same training and at least knows the same basic laws to do the job and not get me or himself or anyone else in trouble or fucking killed.

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[–] HillbillyGoat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

As an unlicensed security guard, for two years I ran a 100-man private military contract team protecting special operations FOBs in SW Asia. I also fired a few "professionals" and former/retired cops while there. That license doesn't buy you much.

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