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[–] Cleanhobo 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Just do the job anyway and get paid under the table... Thats how you do it.

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[–] blumen4alles 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Yuppers!

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[–] Pawn 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

thats how illegals do it and they get to avoid the jewish taxman in their wallets, why cant we americans get the perk of no taxes too.

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[–] Hand_of_Node 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Because few bother to familiarize themselves with the rules of the game they're playing.

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[–] worthlesshope 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I've met a lot of shitty people in professions. I actually wish the hiring process could be stricter to either filter or teach those people to be a better person.

Even with florists. I haven't actually met any expert florists. Perhaps they get paid too highly to run a corner store though and only personally work for large corporations(like huntington gardens) or something I don't know. But I'd seriously visit a good florist often if they could actually advise me on my floral problems when I had them.

Such as I wanted a meaningful bouquet for a funeral. Also it involves cultivation and I have a black thumb, so I'd like some advise on how to actually keep my flowers alive.

And yea for other stuff like electricians people's lives are on the line. If you loosen those up you'll just have a lot of illegal immigrants saying "yea I can do that" when they actually can't do that, but only care about finding labor they can easily get paid for.

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[–] vastrightwing ago 

To thwart regulatory capture, you disrupt the legacy model.

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[–] Mimar 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'm an Electrician, 11 years in. I won't ever ask for the trade schooling to be reduced. Its too easy to kill people if you don't know what you're doing. For me I did 4 years of schooling and had to get 4k hours of work experience to gain my Journeymen card. With the fly by night operators or the out of staters that come in and give us a bad name, I think the laws should be stricter.

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[–] CRKT_M16Z 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Side topic: I wish more people considered trade schools as viable education options over traditional college.

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[–] smashbery 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

i wish my fucking GI bill worked for trade schools as it did for universities. i would have loved to be a helicopter pilot but with out some extreme hoops and big money out of my pocket i could not do it. however i can stack up all the liberal arts i could ever want. what a joke

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[–] StagOfMull 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Seriously, I am convinced most people don't actually understand how dangerous working with electricity is. In school almost daily we had professors tell us that this can kill you or someone else.

It's something that anyone can do, but not a lot can do well and safely. I've seen plenty of hobbyists/DIY guys have stuff wired in such a way that they could have easily killed themselves without trying.

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[–] i_scream_trucks 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Ive got no issue with certifications and licensing for professions that have a chance of seriously fucking shit up if you get it wrong.

i would not work with an unlicensed security guard because at the very least i know the dude has passed a background check and has done the same training and at least knows the same basic laws to do the job and not get me or himself or anyone else in trouble or fucking killed.

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[–] HillbillyGoat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

As an unlicensed security guard, for two years I ran a 100-man private military contract team protecting special operations FOBs in SW Asia. I also fired a few "professionals" and former/retired cops while there. That license doesn't buy you much.

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[–] i_scream_trucks 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

easy way to find out if there already is one, do a quick search for well regarded companies in your area and have a look usually at the bottom of their website, they usually list logos of the guilds etc that theyre registered to.

THAT BEING SAID - i worked for an 'ASEAN' signatory company, ASEAN says 'illegal for guards to be paid as contractors so you will not pay them that way' manager sends me an email asking for an Australian Business Number he can pay my tax to. Was told to go fuck himself. Got fired.

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[–] DeliciousOnions 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

DIY communities are a good alternative to overpriced services. Beaner girls in my area are known for getting nursing degrees and then never working - instead they give basic healthcare services off the books.

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[–] pcdude 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

This one is not a product of big government or socialism. This has its roots in unions, and before that guilds that go back 2500 years. Ultimately people want assurances that they are getting high quality services, and guilds are supposed to be able to offer that. If there was a big reset on everything, guilds would form naturally. The problem is less with the concept of licensing and code restriction and more with government getting involved in it. Introduce government and you introduce cronyism and corruption.

It the government stepped out, you would have private guilds enforcing most of the same things in order to ensure quality work that keeps them looking good and keeps the wages at the highest that a free market will tolerate.

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[–] Nigg3rFaggot 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

You had me until here;

“Introduce government and you introduce cronyism and corruption.”

I disagree as I don’t believe government is inherently bad, I just believe psychopaths are naturally attracted to power over others even working in the private sector.

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[–] pcdude ago 

The capacity of government to be corrupt is proportional to its size and power over time. A powerful government over time allows the corrupt people to filter in, take power and ruin it.

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[–] pcdude ago 

That’s a corrupt union. Government corrupts these things when they are allowed to mix. It can get bad, but not nearly as quickly or permanently when government lacks the power to grant unions favors.

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[–] pcdude ago 

As a licensed contractor, sometimes they are, but not as often as you might think.

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[–] truthwoke33 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

The ESRB is a great example. Back when Doom and Mortal Kombat were making headlines, a bunch of people in the industry got together to form an independent ratings system to avoid government oversight. Outside of small release independent titles, it's essentially impossible to to actually sell a game without an ESRB rating which requires you pay a fee to receive one.

And thank God they did it. Could you imagine, given the modern social climate, the nightmare that games development would be if the government were involved in regulations of content? I shudder to wonder.

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