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[–] BlackAdamRedLantern [S] 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

You're creating statements that I never made and assumptions about me based on those statemtns.

Of course, don't leave women. Have as many as you can comfortably handle. Reproduce with as many as you are able to comfortably provide for with the most beautiful and intelligent women that you can. The dilemma appears where you can decide to either have loads of kids but not enough support so they turn out however they may, good or bad, or produce a few kids; provide stability for, protect and train them; to possibly produce successful, self-sufficient, well adjusted adults and even then other factors can change that.

Smart men don't produce often because smart men are stimulated by more than pussy. Stupid people are stimulated by less and they will fuck disproportionately more, and there are more of them, so of course they will be more prominent. Even if you do everything correctly, your few kids will then have to select from the pool of these bastards to find friends and suitable mates so your own influence only carries so far.

It is not a problem that can be solved on a macro because it is inherent in nature. Nature doesn't give a fuck about the individual. Therefore they get screwed. The only viable solution is to therefore work on making oneself and their immediate environment the best that they are able. If enough people do this then it may make a difference in the long run.

MGTOW is not running away, it is using logic to attain the best possible outcome in a game that one is dropped into. It extends into more than just sexual encounters with women. It is a deconstruction to the conditioning that has been set up and instilled in many men and encouraged in women. It is not just one thing. It is asking yourself critically in every moment, "how does this benefit me?" Then following through.

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[–] AnmanIndustries 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

I am only using you as a placeholder for the ideas you are portraying, as one would when taking sides. Yes, I would be assuming if I was purposely attacking you. I am not.

And, youve only made your whole position worse with one line:

It is asking yourself critically in every moment, "how does this benefit me?"

Which is exactly what feminism is. And everything wrong with society. Family sizes are smaller because children prevent selfishness. 60-80% of people are overweight (depending on which western country), because of selfishness. People get divorced so often, because of selfishness. Marriages start their stead decline because of selfishness. Everything that is ruining the world today is because people are going, fuck every one else, I just want to do what I want.

MGTOW isnt just "how does this benefit me", its purposely designed to push the almost smart men who are on the fence, over it to the wrong side.

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[–] BlackAdamRedLantern [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

OK. That's fair.

Feminism is about creating and taking advantage of those laws to unjustly assert power and benefits for as little effort and negative consequence as possible. There's a tremendous difference.

Everything that you listed does fall under the umbrella of selfishness, true, however, I insist that a more accurate descriptor is laziness.

A truly selfish person would be vain to the point of self-idolatry. Their body would be treated like a temple with the most nutritious and fresh foods and they would take care of their body with exercise to not only maintain their health but to please themselves aesthetically. People eat too much because it's "cheap and easy." It's more comfortable to not exercise and the combination naturally leads to getting fatter. They can drive instead of walk or bike. Kids don't play and explore as often and have indoor distractions. Technology makes many things simpler by bringing information instead of investigation or even making a trip to the library and online shopping even brings physical goods. All of these can be, and are meant for good but if the convenience is abused to the point of absurdity becomes a recipe for disaster to oneself.

Family sizes are smaller because in healthier societies for many reasons. Plentiful access to birth control is the main one. Not wanting the responsibility for either parent is another. The last I'll mention is not being able to handle the commitment to properly provide for and care for the child. There are a great many reasons more and even a wealth of difference within the three listed above that may go into the decision. I'd argue that not having a child under certain circumstances is actually quite a selfless act since they would not cruelly bring a child into the world that they can not provide for.

People get divorced because two people come to the realization that tying themselves to one another is no longer beneficial. Marriage is a contract and if one party breaches the contract then the offended party is owed restitution. Since marriage is a special contract the main recourse is to mend or dissolve the partnership. Many times though, the partnership reaches a point where it no longer serves the initial purpose and for the betterment of both parties it is best to no longer continue and instead, allow them both the chance to do better. In that way, it too can be merciful.

So the wrong side is what? What benefits are there for a man in marriage? At best, being considered next-of-kin gives you certain medical rights such as power of attorney and tax-free inheritance, both of which could also tremendously backfire. Social proof bumps a little and you may appear more tied to the community for making the commitment.

Understand, I love women and enjoy women and the idea of a family can be a beautiful thing. The risk of marriage though doesn't make sense. The risk of having children is there too but is more manageable.

Things that are dangerous must have reward. The risk/reward ratio is too heavily skewed for it to be viable for any sane individual. Contracts entered into under duress are unenforceable. I'd go as far as to say that love or the dopamine spike is an altered state of being that cause one to act against their own self-interest and the duress of potentially losing a mate that they've invested time and energy into along with the social pressure to marry causes an inherently void agreement that cannot realistically be upheld, especially so at this time.