[–] BlackAdamRedLantern [S] 5 points 2 points 7 points (+7|-5) ago
MGTOW makes the most sense for a man, logically.
Not the incel bullshit, but taking care of yourself and your own interests primarily and not entering into any situation where you don't primarily benefit is unjustifiable.
The decadence of western civilization is because of the demonetization of the value of men and their importance to society in favor of the flighty whims of women.
I don't applaud the "message" of the macro but to deny that it is indicative of a scenario that is all too common in suburbia would be foolish.
Being "selfish" is a symptom of abundance mentality which counter-intuitively attracts all kinds of people into one's life. MGTOW simply seeks an avenue to survive and thrive within the world as it is, instead of dying on the hill of "how it should be."
[–] AnmanIndustries 2 points 2 points 4 points (+4|-2) ago
If you think the the hill you need to die on is "leave women all together" then it is probably a good thing you wouldn't reproduce. Only strong men who are smart and wise enough to identify a good woman should breed. Stupid people are going to breed anyway, so at least the smart men will have the family size to stand out amongst them.
If there is a problem, you solve it. Not run away from it. MGTOW is exactly that. And you know what it does? Adds to the decadence.
[–] BlackAdamRedLantern [S] 3 points 0 points 3 points (+3|-3) ago
You're creating statements that I never made and assumptions about me based on those statemtns.
Of course, don't leave women. Have as many as you can comfortably handle. Reproduce with as many as you are able to comfortably provide for with the most beautiful and intelligent women that you can. The dilemma appears where you can decide to either have loads of kids but not enough support so they turn out however they may, good or bad, or produce a few kids; provide stability for, protect and train them; to possibly produce successful, self-sufficient, well adjusted adults and even then other factors can change that.
Smart men don't produce often because smart men are stimulated by more than pussy. Stupid people are stimulated by less and they will fuck disproportionately more, and there are more of them, so of course they will be more prominent. Even if you do everything correctly, your few kids will then have to select from the pool of these bastards to find friends and suitable mates so your own influence only carries so far.
It is not a problem that can be solved on a macro because it is inherent in nature. Nature doesn't give a fuck about the individual. Therefore they get screwed. The only viable solution is to therefore work on making oneself and their immediate environment the best that they are able. If enough people do this then it may make a difference in the long run.
MGTOW is not running away, it is using logic to attain the best possible outcome in a game that one is dropped into. It extends into more than just sexual encounters with women. It is a deconstruction to the conditioning that has been set up and instilled in many men and encouraged in women. It is not just one thing. It is asking yourself critically in every moment, "how does this benefit me?" Then following through.