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[–] Trash_Panda 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I never said that. I said if you think a 5 year DoC sentence is reasonable for this crime then you're part of the problem. I guess my opinion that I've had my entire life is suddenly invalid because I committed a crime? I'm not allowed to engage in philosophy or justice because I messed up once?

I'd be curious what exactly you did to earn that status but, short of being wrongfully convicted or being the victim of some serious legal bullshit, I can't really think of anything that would make this reasonable.

It's in my comment history if you are curious

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[–] Glory_Beckons 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I never said that

No, it was obviously not an actual quote. But you did do that. You announced you were a felon and, then, acting as if that made you an authority on the subject, proceeded to lecture us on what is and isn't true justice and how we are the problem if we think this punishment was just. This is quite absurd, and making that point was easier using a cheeky "quote" than spelling it out like this.

I guess my opinion that I've had my entire life is suddenly invalid because I committed a crime? I'm not allowed to engage in philosophy or justice because I messed up once?

All I know is you got caught once. No idea how often you messed up. But felonies are not infractions or misdemeanors. And "felon" is not a title you often find on an upstanding citizen, who never did anything wrong in his life, until that one fateful day, when he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, "just this once, officer, I swear."

It happens, I'm sure. But it's just not very likely.

Putting your past aside, your objection seems to be that this sentence is far too harsh, because it damages the perpetrators life and prospects, and because many felons carry on committing crimes afterward. I disagree with that objection on principle.

A prison sentence isn't meant to be kind, or pleasant, or to help you build a better life for yourself. It certainly isn't meant to take you by the hand and gently walk you through how being a decent human being works. That's what parents, and school, and friends, and community are meant to do for you. If you wind up in prison, that ship has sailed. They failed you, or you failed them, or both. And you fucked up hard as a result.

Prison isn't there to fix that for you. It's there to help everyone else, by getting you off the streets for a while. And it's there to punish you, harshly, to let you know that this kind of shit won't be tolerated, and to instill fear of fucking up like this again. The carrot failed, so here's the stick.

Sure, many criminals continue being criminals. Nothing surprising about that. Prospects are bleak to being with. If anything, the high repeat offense rate is an argument for harsher sentences, stricter conditions in prison, and more death penalties. No sense in letting career criminals loose in society... they just create the sort of environments that cause new generations of youngsters to become criminals too.

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[–] Trash_Panda ago 

You announced you were a felon and, then, acting as if that made you an authority on the subject

Never did that either..

All I know is you got caught once. No idea how often you messed up.

You could say this about anyone lmfao

And "felon" is not a title you often find on an upstanding citizen

Based on what? Felons don't just walk up and say "attention everyone, I am a felon". If you saw me on the streets you'd just say "oh cool some nerdy dude maybe he can fix my computer".

until that one fateful day, when he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time

My entire criminal history is from one year. Let's ignore the other 26 years and just focus on this one night.

Putting your past aside, your objection seems to be that this sentence is far too harsh, because it damages the perpetrators life and prospects, and because many felons carry on committing crimes afterward

No. Because it's injustice. Injustice has negative consequences. That consequence is not rehabilitating criminals, taking everything they have to live for and then releasing them back into the general population which now blows back on the community as a whole.

A prison sentence isn't meant to be kind, or pleasant, or to help you build a better life for yourself.

OK. Then it's torture, not justice. And yes that was the original intent of the Department of Corrections, to correct bad behavior. This concept of torturing people just to say 'fuck you' is relatively recent, and completely counter-productive.

Prison isn't there to fix that for you. It's there to help everyone else, by getting you off the streets for a while

for a while

Then what? And if your son was the one who fucked up you'd presumably just want him locked away indefinitely right? What about their families? You realize most people just plead guilty immediately because 1. They constantly miss work for court hearings and "pre-trial supervision" (which is essentially where you are treated as if you are guilty "just in case", which is completely unconstitutional not like you give a fuck) 2. The police typically stack on as many charges as possible so you're risking a lot by fighting it, even if you are innocent, and by pleading out you just get sentenced to what you should've originally been charged with in the first place.

And it's there to punish you, harshly, to let you know that this kind of shit won't be tolerated, and to instill fear of fucking up like this again. The carrot failed, so here's the stick.

You clearly don't know much about prison other than dank memes and shows on TV. The people who get "punished" are the ones who don't fit in and who try to fly the straight and narrow like me. It literally encourages degeneracy and discourages becoming a model citizen. Thankfully I don't give a fuck what tatted up Neanderthals think of me but I also identify how they could be shown a better way of life.

That's what parents, and school, and friends, and community are meant to do for you

A lot of people don't have those things. You sound like a privileged entitled twat who has never had to experience hardship.

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[–] UlyssesEMcGill ago 

Why would he dig through your comments (unknown amount of time) when you could explain it now (short amount of time)?

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[–] Trash_Panda ago 

Why would I explain something I had just explained one post previously?