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[–] dare_you_to_be_real 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Oh man, you're playing with fire. I got into a ridiculous argument with a denier on this same article. What's the saying, don't argue with a crazy person or something like that. It's pretty much understood that it is happening and it probably won't be for the better. But with countries like China and India (I know China is trying to clean up, but they have a long way to go), how much can we do? And even aside from that, what about the shipping pollution? I'm all for funding green energy research and more advanced nuclear, but it just seems like the will isn't there.
It seems that things are going to get worse before they get better, to me the little we can do as individuals is a blend of drastically reducing our consumption, working on self-reliance and building community. The principles of Permaculture are a good conceptual framework to start thinking about these issues.
[–] reddfugee43 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
But with countries like China and India (I know China is trying to clean up, but they have a long way to go), how much can we do?
As certain as westerners are about the hardships of climate change, the hardships of poverty (disease, starvation) are far more real to those in emerging nations. Westerners are far removed from the realities of living on less than 2 dollars a day, and the promise of a climate change disaster is still notional.
You will not convince emerging economies to slow their economic growth.
furthermore focusing on shipping pollution has always seems misguided; there is not more efficient mode of transpiration than shipping. It emits less emissions per ton/mile transported than any other mode of transportation. If you put restrictions on it, more people will start shipping with plane, rail and truck which are more damaging.
[–] reddfugee43 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
There is nothing you can do to prevent it, the only option is to let people develop economically so that they will be able to adapt.
[–] Stoaty 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
We're having a profoundly cold June and July in Sussex this year. Again. I love the idea that we're tearing ourselves apart debating what to do about global warming while it looks like we're entering a cooling phase. If not (please god not) a little ice age.
[–] Cantbebothered ago
Though that's probably just the result of weather variance that the science of climate change accounts for, dropping temperatures in britain can also be linked directly to the effects of global warming. The reason that your island and western europe isn't a barely habitable tundra like other parts of the world situated at the same lattitude is because of the gulf stream, which is responsible with bumping the average western europe temperatures by as much as 5 degrees C; A warming of the atlantic ocean would disrupt this process, causing temperatures to drop to "normal", which is to say, similar to what you see in central canada.
[–] rayc31415 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1321/ Soon: Snow in Sussex? Take that global warning tossers!