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[–] SpeshulSnowflaek 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Same with feminism

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[–] SpeshulSnowflaek 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I know I'm right

Have an upvoat

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[–] Nigger8t02 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Also, water is wet.

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[–] Noot_Noot ago 

Honestly I think our labour is over valued, which creates just as much of a problem. Every great achievement of man, and I'm thinking projects here such as railroads or the Manhattan project, has happened on the backs of 'undervalued' labour. It's necessary, and it's not racial.

If we can't import Chinese to build something anymore then starving dust-bowl whities work just as well. We used to do this via infrastructure programs that would take public dollars and give it to needy workers in exchange for their contribution to something great for the rest of the nation. But never did they ever pay an excellent wage. Never did they try to maintain compensation commensurate with the private sector, because if you could earn more there it was expected that you would. Not everyone can, and so these programs are perfect for lower i.q. or less conscientious folk. In this system, everyone wins.

Now everyone's an American rock star before they even get out of pampers and deserves to be paid as one. Our major projects never get off the ground due to costs, and the giant systems we have come to rely on, which were built only because of undervalued (or true cost) labour, are crumbling and we can't afford to fix them because they outlived the supposed slaves that built them.

Now I don't know about Mexicans and I can't speak to American immigration, but speaking only to labour and the economy there seems to be a shortage of organized but undervalued workers. There will be no solution to immigration until this need is addressed because you cannot function without them.

I would love to see a day when people were picked up off the streets as vagrants and taken to work on great world-changing projects. Two years mandatory paid (less so) stint at the workhouse the remind them that society expects something from their lazy douchebag asses.

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[–] prairie ago 

By having people who are willing to stoop lower than you, they get the job and they lower the standards. It's like the way voting results in the lowest common denominator.

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[–] aboutime ago 

You forget that prices are much lower because of cheap labor. Cheap labor flooded the garment industry in NY 1900's, then later unions were created and grew strong and prices escalated to the point when manufacturers took labor offshore to India and China and now garments are relatively cheap again. You cannot control one factor in an economy without affect 5 other factors, but politicians always try.

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[–] 22jam22 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

Umm as a person in the construction field i am kinda ok with my bad ass cheap roofers.. Umm any middle to large owner of a company if they can save on payroll they will.. You are not talking to democrats on here.. I dont need higher wages i need cheap labor and americans fucking suck at doing cheap manual labor.. Go start a business using white males in the construction field.. Good fucking luck.. You would be ok if you found a bunch of retired old head white dudes they can work their asses off still these young kids dont know what a hard days work is.

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[–] 22jam22 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Probably.. But in the microcosim of my small world it works for me.. I did have one plan.. Mexicans can come here or stay here on 2 year work visa thing.. They have full rights basicaly but pay full taxes as well.. Any fucking around taking cash for jobs is forbidden and visa is gone.. Maybe even give them special accounts to keep them on the up and up... They maybe even taxed higher.. If they can show they are a net positive, pay insurance and health insurance and increase our tax base and stay away from criminal activity.. Inckuding their kids they are well on their way to citizenship by year one must take a rudimentary english test.. By year two need to know converaatiinal english.. Dont want to be super strict on this, because mexicans become americans they fit in they are christian they like having a nice house good food etc.. I am around mexicans and have no problems with them.

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[–] 22jam22 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

i do.. i have plenty.. told someone else.. i dont know for a fact i was hiring illigals.. I never asked.. Could some of my workers have been.. Maybe.. Not my job to turn in hard working people that did nothing but help me.. If they were and got sent back i wouldnt feel bad its the risk they took