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[–] TheBuddha [S] 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

You're arguing in the face of overwhelming evidence, and I'm not sure why?

The truth is, they are long past their golden age. That's not in doubt. However, scientific (and mathematic) progress didn't stop - it did quite well. They were pretty good stewards for a little while. We have lots and lots of evidence for this.

You can question it - but there's loads of primary sources and historical record for this. It's pretty much indisputable. And, like all academics throughout the history of academia since before pre-history, they stood on the shoulders of giants. It's not a bad thing - it's a great thing. There's no shame in it. If there's shame in it, it's that they don't today foster these same senses of curiosity, wonderment, and discovery.

Feel free to scour though the resources and check the historical record. There are tens of thousands of scholarly studies of this very subject. There's piles of evidence confirming this. You can choose to not accept it - but that doesn't make you correct. You'll have to bring something more to the table than "I also question." You'll have to bring new research, new evidence, and pretty much rewrite the history of the entire region for about 400 years.

If you do, let me know. I'll be more than happy to help you get it published and I'll review your paper for you.

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[–] Shekelstein6M 5 points -1 points (+4|-5) ago  (edited ago)

You're arguing in the face of overwhelming evidence, and I'm not sure why?

Because I know how muslims operate. I know how they spread, and I know that they wouldn't let non muslims take the glory.

That's not in doubt. However, scientific (and mathematic) progress didn't stop - it did quite well. They were pretty good stewards for a little while. We have lots and lots of evidence for this.

Evidence from muslim sources.

It's pretty much indisputable.

Biggest load of bullshit. No such thing as indisputable history.

it's a great thing. There's no shame in it. If there's shame in it, it's that they don't today foster these same senses of curiosity, wonderment, and discovery.

The fuck are you rambling about.

Feel free to scour though the resources and check the historical record. There are tens of thousands of scholarly studies of this very subject.

How many thousands did you read?

You can choose to not accept it - but that doesn't make you correct.

You can choose to accept it - but that doesn't make you correct.

You'll have to bring new research, new evidence, and pretty much rewrite the history of the entire region for about 400 years.

History is written by the victors. I'd have to conquer all the muslim countries first.

If you do, let me know. I'll be more than happy to help you get it published and I'll review your paper for you.

Sure. Thanks. Also, if you ever need someone to teach you how not to be a faggot, I'm here to help.

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[–] TheBuddha [S] 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

sighs

You can stumble along in the darkness if you want.

If you're curious - I've read vast amounts. I don't actually have a number because I've read that many. I hold a doctorate in Applied Mathematics, which is pretty trivial to verify.

But, no amount of evidence is likely to convince you and it's impossible to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. So, I encourage you to continue thinking exactly like you do. Don't change based on new information. Don't take the time to investigate and learn. Don't actually make an effort to understand the subject - just go with your gut instinct and stick with it, regardless of the evidence.