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[–] BentAxel 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

When you say before and after, are you saying before 1920? and now after 2008? There's been a shit ton of fighting going on in Syria and it could have been easily avoidable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Syria

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[–] pby1000 ago 

I was thinking about the more recent pictures of Syria before and after the most conflict.

Like this:

https://petapixel.com/2016/08/02/26-photos-show-war-changed-syria/

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[–] BentAxel ago 

Well, I want California to be like it was 50 years ago. Yet politicians keep giving developers the permits to build. These two make about as much sense. Shit moves on.

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[–] McFluffy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

We steal the natural resources

its not stealing when the sovereign government gives us a contract to mine it out.

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[–] pby1000 ago 

The "sovereign government" that we own and control. We install dictators to ensure we get the sweet contract.

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[–] matthew-- 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You're not entirely wrong, only partly.

The problem is that when you have a party that is dependant on handouts to buy votes, you need to do something to make sure you can sustain it. Otherwise the country will collapse because who wants to buy money from a country that's 20T in debt? By invading first Iraq, then Libya, then finally Syria. The US was able to maintain it's hold on the petro dollar: you better use USD to buy oil because of you don't you'll end up just like Iraq.

Immigrants go to the US because they know they can sit around doing nothing and get paid more than for a full time job back home. And all they need to do is keep voting for the party that gives them more free shit. The US parties like this because paying people for votes is a lot easier than actually putting in effect good policy (that may be unpopular), and when people are on the receiving end of handouts, they're more likely to overlook dirty deals in government that make politicians very rich (selling half of America's uranium supply to Russia).

As for stealing natural resources being the reason for poverty in SA and Africa, well you're wrong, as shown in OPs link: most people are poor because they are dumb or stupid. Africa is the way it is because they and their leadership are stupid. Banana republics, socialism, tribalism, racism, superstition, unsustainable birthrates does not a rich country make.

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[–] pby1000 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

These are the types of responses I hope to receive. Are you familiar with Allen Dulles and the bannana war?

Also, the reason Venezuela fell apart is because the international bankers want to control their oil. The Venezuelians refused, so now they are suffering from rampant inflation. The same happened to Germany after WW1.

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[–] matthew-- 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Are you familiar with Allen Dulles and the bannana war?

No I'm not, though it leads to interesting reading regarding the Spanish-American war, thanks for that. I'm only familiar with the "banana" republic trade model, in which a county is overly reliant on one commodity to fund their nation. Which ends badly when said commodity crashes or some other event happens that lowers prices below what that nation is used to. As was the case with Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) when it decided to go full retard on copper.

The reason Venezuela fell apart is because the international bankers want to control their oil. The Venezuelans refused, so now they are suffering from rampant inflation.

Can you please elaborate on this? How would "international bankers" be able to do this? They could refuse to lend money to Venezuela, but that is well within their rights, and if Venezuela is dependant on loans to function, well that's their problem right?

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[–] lopan 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Venezuela fell apart because they put tards in charge of the oil, greedy fuck-tards

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[–] 11396676? 4 points -2 points (+2|-4) ago 

It's almost like Syria is in ruins because of Assad and Russia. Not the US. They are the ones indiscriminately bombing everyone.

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[–] pby1000 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

The US is/was in Syria illegally. The Russians were invited in by the legitimate Syrian government.

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[–] 11398420? 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

No it wasn't. Assad was no longer considered the legitimate government of Syria and the interim Syrian government accepted US assistance.

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[–] 11398424? 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

No he isn't. Lawful leaders don't commit mass election fraud and murder civilians in the streets for protesting the fraudulent election.

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[–] Cheesebooger 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Nonsense. Israel and the US gov are doing the bombing

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[–] 11397035? 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Nonsense. But what isn't nonsense is that you are a fucking retard. That's a fact. It's Russia and Syria destroying entire neighborhoods, bombing a dozen or more hospitals repeatedly, bombing hundreds of ambulances, and running a campaign of terror against a defenseless population.

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[–] undertheshills 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Source?

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[–] pby1000 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Chomsky is one. Do you want more? I can also be more specific about my sources if need be, but Chomsky and others wrote extensively about this issue.

One easy read is about Allen Dulles and the banana wars.

To all you downvoters, I am too against illegal immigration, but the cause of it is our own government. If you were born in a poor country and had a family to feed, what would you do? Let them starve?

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