[–] phw 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I think the idea is that vaccines aren't 100% effective. Say you have a measles vaccine that's theoretically 98% effective (number pulled from my ass, replace with the real one if you care enough to look it up). But even for the unlucky 2% of vaccinated people, they can still only catch measles from someone who has it, meaning they're 50 times more likely to catch it from an unvaccinated person than a vaccinated one.
The Herd aspect protects those who cannot receive the vaccine, but when everyone refuses to vaccinate then the disease infects and potentially mutates into something much much much worse.
Kill yourself.... because when your kid kills an entire classroom , those parents are going to end your entire blood line.... A true holocaust..... with scalps for the accountants
[–] puggy 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Please read up on herd immunity. Unvaccinated kids are a problem to infants and kids who cannot be vaccinated because they are immune compromised due to cancer or some other condition. The fewer vaccinated kids there are in the community, the more likely a newborn or compromised kid will get sick and possibly die. The more vaccinated kids there are, the less likely that kid will get sick. People forget that common disease such as chicken pox used to kill thousands of infants per year.
The chicken pox vaccine offers an example of the effectiveness of disease-resistant links. After the chicken pox vaccine debuted in the United States in 1995, deaths rates from chicken pox dropped by as much as 97%. Significantly, even though the vaccine is not administered to infants, no infants died from chicken pox in the United States between 2004 and 2007. These tiniest, most vulnerable links in the chain of human connections avoided exposure thanks to herd immunity.
[–] DeliciousOnions 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
It's the idea of a 'tipping point' for an epidemic.
Let's say that 99% of people all get vaccinated. That 1% remaining is very unlikely to get sick, because the disease isn't able to survive in 99% of its hosts. So nobody gets sick.
Now let's say that 50% of people are vaccinated. Now the disease can spread, because enough of the people exposed are also unvaccinated that there's a chance of it continuing on.
This is also why they talk about vaccine immunity - if a disease can't spread, it can't evolve nearly as fast.
Edit - think of it in terms of a zombie outbreak. If nobody is vaccinated, zombie outbreaks are common. If half the population is vaccinated, zombie outbreaks are still common. But if 99% of the population is vaccinated, zombie outbreaks simply don't happen because they can't bite an unvaccinated host in time.
This isn't an argument to blindly let the state inject your children with mystery syringes, but it's an argument you'll hear.
[–] RedditisPropaganda31 [S] 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
So people who are not vaccinated by choice .... They are simply expressing free will in their actions ... and can not harm vaccinated people since vaccines work, right?
[–] DeliciousOnions 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I'm already at the edges of my knowledge on this issue but I tend to agree with you, that unless we start to see diseases evolving from their spread among the unvaccinated there's really no danger.
[–] Zinnsee 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
I copy what I wrote in another thread about vaccination:
Vaccination is not a Yes or No issue. Every single vaccine has to be looked at individually. Are there good ones out there? Defenitely. Are some people getting sick because of a vaccine? Definetely. Is there a possibility that big pharma is so greedy that it knowingly makes you sick so it can sell you drugs for a lifetime. Definetely.
and from another thread:
Our body needs water to be healthy. Therefore drinking liquids is good. Is drinking any liquid good? Of course not! So is every single vaccine good for you? Probably not. And this is what pisses me off the most about this pro- and antivaxxer rally. Vaccination is not categorically good or bad. It's the different vaccines that we should take a closer look at and not the theory behind vaccination itself. So in my eyes everybody who categorically says vaccines are good is naive as fuck and has no clue what he/she is talking about. We know as a fact that many drugs had to be banned in hindsight even though the FDA approved of them in the first place. So why should I trust vaccines more than any other drug? Especially since corruption is a huge problem inside the pharma buisiness. And something else to consider: The idea behind every vaccine is that a person gets deliberately injected with a virus (or other disease). But that virus has been weakened so that the immune system of the body can handle the fight and build antibodies. This means that the vaccinated person endures every stage of the sickness. Therefore if you get vaccinated for the flu, you actually will spread the virus at some point. So by vaccinating a lot of people we actually also help the virus beeing around. But in my opinion the biggest problem is our inability to quantify if a specific vaccine works or not. For other drugs this is a lot easier: Something is not good -> give the patient the drug -> did it make the problem less or erase it completely? If Yes -> the drug works. But when testing the efficiency of vaccines this is a lot more problematic. After the vaccination the number of built up antibodies are counted. If a certain number is reached the vaccines is seen as effective. BUT the vaccine is a modified (weakened or even dead) form of the virus/disease so we actually have no clue if the antibodies also are effective in fighting the real deal. And since it's not ethical to infect vaccinated people deliberately we can not measure the real effectiveness of vaccines. And if all the above was not troubling enough think about the mischief one could do here. If you have the possibility to inject a newborn with watever the hell you want. How easy would it be to make a whole generation deliberately sick so you can sell them some drugs for their entire lifetime? If you grasp the possible profit behind such a scheme, you can also see how much money you would be able to spend to bribe such institutions like the FDA.
Vaccination can be a very good thing but not every vaccine is.
[–] RedditisPropaganda31 [S] 2 points 0 points 2 points (+2|-2) ago (edited ago)
Well thought out argument but this is a simple truth:
The FDA and Big Pharma are beyond corrupt, aka run by psychopaths, and want us to be sick for profit.
Could a few select vaccines help? Maybe. Have humans survived fine throughout history without vaccines? Yes. Hell, we even beat the bubonic plague.
Let's talk about how super-bugs resistant to antibiotics are coming up.
[–] sheepsexplode 2 points 3 points 5 points (+5|-2) ago
Often, vaccine advocates who focus on families who have suffered from vaccine preventable diseases are accused of fear mongering. Strangely enough, fear is often what motivates people to refuse vaccines. Fear of what most parents just don’t understand; the ingredients and the side-effects.
Don’t let this be you!
Shannon Peterson, whose unvaccinated daughter died in 2001 from a vaccine-preventable disease, just shy of her sixth birthday, explained that “A life-changing event — one involving your children — will make any parent regret what they could’ve done.”
[–] RedditisPropaganda31 [S] 3 points -1 points 2 points (+2|-3) ago
I can link THOUSANDS of cases of parents regretting vaccines because AUTISM.
Shill much?
[–] sheepsexplode 2 points 1 point 3 points (+3|-2) ago (edited ago)
Go ahead link away.
Won’t change how you’d feel losing your kid to something preventable.
Calling me a name only indicates your level of intellect.
You are to stupid to know your stupid.
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[–] XSS1337 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago (edited ago)
"Fuck you kike. You die first " - https://voat.co/user/RedditisPropaganda31
Response: " HAHAHAHAHAHA Unless you got vaccinated , it wont be me dying JEW "
[–] RedditisPropaganda31 [S] 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
You fucking kike projecting your kikeness on me.