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[–] MasivGam3 ago  (edited ago)

First of all it's a priori.

Now you have resorted to correcting typing errors - the sign of someone getting truly desperate. The last resort.

So you are open to the idea that the book inspired genocide.

I said that it might have contributed. Just like the red color of Nazi flags, or the flashy SS uniforms by Hugo Boss, or the fact that Hitler was vegetarian - it might have pleased a lot of folks and made them accept Nazi ways which eventually led to the genocide. Damn those vegetarians!! They caused Holocaust!!! (Your logic)

the book clearly influenced millions of Germans

Yes. But he did not call for genocide of Jews in the book. He did not call for any genocide at all. For that matter, was that Marx or Engels who wrote that the "racial trash" - the Slavs - shall perish in the revolutionary Holocaust? The founding fathers of Marxism were much more vocal about killing people. Bernard Shaw in his public speeches called for mass murder of "useless people" by poison gas. Nothing like that ever was in Mein Kampf, but somehow that silly little book is blamed for all possible horrors.

fact that Hitler rose to power shortly thereafter, and the fact that Jews were literally gassed means your defense is well indefensible.

Excuse me? This is pure bullshit. If anything is "indefensible" then it is these your silly claims. You haven't provided any valid proof of any of your claims. All you come forward with is wishful thinking.

Uhh no, but it is concerning

I am not of your choir, so please excuse me if i do not indulge in your ritual dances, but want to stay reasonable.

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[–] the_sovereign ago 

the sign of someone getting truly desperate.

Only if I didn't have a retort.

Just like the red color of Nazi flags, or the flashy SS uniforms by Hugo Boss, or the fact that Hitler was vegetarian

Non sequitur. Hitler being a vegetarian doesn't compare to the book that forms the foundation of Nazi philosophy.

Yes. But he did not call for genocide of Jews in the book.

I literally gave you a quote. You said that it was out-of-context, but they did send Jews to a gas chamber, so clearly it was not just a metaphor for WW1.

The founding fathers of Marxism were much more vocal about killing people

No disagreement here. And millions more people perished at their hands. How does this help your point?

Excuse me? This is pure bullshit

I gave you a pretty good explanation of how the publication of Mein Kampf was a cornerstone of the Nazi rise to power. If Mein Kampf wasn't published, it's highly unlikely that the Germans would even know who Hitler was. The Nazis also made a big point to give out the book to as many people as possible. To suggest that the book didn't lead to the Holocaust is delusional. You already admitted that the book contributed to the Holocaust, so I don't even know why you're still arguing.

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[–] MasivGam3 ago  (edited ago)

book that forms the foundation of Nazi philosophy

It forms no foundation of anything. Philosophy? What the hell. It was personal views of the guy on variety of assorted things. It was a very, very tamed and ordinary book. There is much more "philosophy" here on Voat than in Mein Kampf.

I literally gave you a quote.

Did you? Can you give it again please, I am afraid I missed it. Though I remember him expressing bitter regrets that it was his friends who died in the poison gas in the trenches of WWI and not the bunch of fat cat Jewish war profiteers who made money from that. I am sorry, wishing a bunch of bankers dead is not the same as calling for a genocide, even if those happen to be Jewish bankers.

they did send Jews to a gas chamber, so clearly it was not just a metaphor for WW1

No, dear Sir. There is no cause and effect link here. Those two things are not related and are separated by 20 years or so. And what he wrote was not even a metaphor. It was just a bitching by a bitter man. And it was said speaking about past events.

How does this help your point?

My point is that there you indeed can speculate about a causal link as there are clearly expressed calls for systemic extermination of people. Unlike in Mein Kampf.

I gave you a pretty good explanation

False. All your "explanations" are half assed speculations which do not prove anything.

the publication of Mein Kampf was a cornerstone of the Nazi rise to power

I didn't know that to rise to power is so easy.

If Mein Kampf wasn't published, it's highly unlikely that the Germans would even know who Hitler was

Of course not. But one silly book - and the whole world trembles before his power. Seriously?

The Nazis also made a big point to give out the book to as many people as possible.

So what? In USSR they were printing tons of useless propaganda crap and shipping it around in truckloads. So what? Yes, they did. So what?

To suggest that the book didn't lead to the Holocaust is delusional.

No. It did not. If mass genocide would be so easy to set up, we would be living in a Marvel Universe probably. Don't you yourself realize how silly you sound? Publish a stupid boring book and suddenly you rule the world and murder millions? For fucks sake, man! Get your shit together!

You already admitted that the book contributed to the Holocaust

To "contribute to" and to "cause" are two very different things.

so I don't even know why you're still arguing

I don't like murky waters, that's why. I dislike people staking unsubstantiated claims and then "proving" them with their speculations.