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[–] waxdino 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

atheist and agnostic just put aside their philosophical arguments long enough to realise that something about PG is real enough for them to repeat these behaviours for THOUSANDS of years.

Ok this is the second time in a couple days that someone has implied that not being religious prevents one from believing p-gate is real. When did that become an argument? I don't see what one has to do with the other.

Is the argument here, if you aren't religious it's time to get religious because whatever god is the only way to stop this?

I believe and know that they believe in what they are doing, they believe they are doing Satan's bidding, but that doesn't mean the only way to overcome it is to believe in it, or the other side of the coin myself.

If you try to bring religion into it on a universal level, this effort to stop it will continue to fail. It really needs to be a broader "us vs them" than "theists vs non."

Not to digress, but that's why being on voat everyday gives me little hope in us succeeding. We absolutely can not stop the powers that be unless we all band together, but there are people here, that they think it's white vs everyone else. How the fuck will that succeed? Talking out both sides of their mouths, "Oh you've been brainwashed, goyim!" while buying directly into the division tactics that have thrust upon us to assure we'll never unite to overcome the evil reigning the world.

That's what I also think of, "you can't beat Satanist unless you believe in God..." That's personal. If that is your path to believing it and trying to overcome it, good for you. And my all means, speak your mind. But if you try to hard to change minds or say it's the only path... We will continue to fail in this effort.

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[–] angelafogo 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago  (edited ago)

An atheist will believe in Pizzagate. He will understand that there are pedo's in the elite. But He will not understand that all this defiling of the human race has a much bigger greater purpose which is a real danger.

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[–] Wisconsin_Is_Corrupt 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

The real agenda is Global Enslavement forged through the deception of Sustainability (Satan's Ability) and the Mark of the Beast enforced through AI and Community Policing.

The "root", model and headquarters is Racine, Wisconsin.

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[–] pizza-party-pooper [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

@waxdino

Ok this is the second time in a couple days that someone has implied that not being religious prevents one from believing p-gate is real. When did that become an argument? I don't see what one has to do with the other.

This is a reality I'm living right now. I can't tell you the number of people that live around me that disbelieve this could happen amongst real people. I'm hearing that I don't believe in this and It's not in my backyard, so I don't believe it. Some people still actually believe it's a story made up by the right to depose Hillary. I kid you not. All of these folks have one thing in common. They all claim to be athiests/agnostics and give me long tirades how this isn't happening because it's not being covered by mainstream news and because satan doesn't exist I'm just spouting crazy-talk. I'm sure you can feel how annoying that is, right?

I'm not trying to make this a religious fight. They did that. So by acknowledging this we can find better information from more knowledgeable people, what it really is they are trying to extinguish with their sacrifices.

I'm also not trying to divide people. Just get more heads recognizing the gestalt of the problem. Anybody concerned about this is worth getting the right info to. We really are in this together. We just need to find individual ways to attack this. We have more than enough individuals. We just need some inspiration. And to strike while the iron is hot.

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[–] 2impendingdoom ago 

what do you mean dispose Hillary? Do they not know that Trump won the election?

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[–] SoldierofLight 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

But the problem with this post is that you did a bait and switch.

Your title (paraphrasing here) is how can we stop them from torturing, raping, murdering the children? but the context of your post is, We can't stop them until or unless you acknowledge there is a God and they're Satanists.

And then you say, "I'm not trying to make this a religious fight."

As a result, the comments are a discourse on atheism vs. believers.

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[–] angelafogo 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

Yes, because what we are talking really is about spirituality. Thats were we are being really attacked.

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[–] waxdino 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think that associating it to non-theism is something you did on your own, though. Even in the example you gave, you state they think it's made up to trash Hillary and it would be covered by msm if true- that sounds like run of the mill brainwashing to me. What does it have to do with religious beliefs?

Don't you think millions of Christians think that same way? No one in my family believes p-gate, and they are all Christians. Fact. So should I jump to the conclusion that we need to figure out how to get Christians to realize it's true? That's exactly what you did with atheism.

Everyone needs to break free from the brainwashing.

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[–] 4_InquiringMinds 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

@waxdino...if I could give you a thousand upvotes I would.

THANK YOU

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[–] DerivaUK 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

This would have been my exact response so I'll simply second it. In fact, take another thousand

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[–] new4now ago 

by playing by their rules?

Alinsky’s 12 Rules:

  1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.“ Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.

  2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.“ It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.

  3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.“ Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.

  4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.“ If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.

  5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.“ There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

  6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.“ They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.

  7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.“ Don’t become old news.

  8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.“ Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.

  9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.“ Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.

  10. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.“ Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.

  11. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.“ Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.

  12. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.“ Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

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[–] janet58 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Submit to God. Resist the devil, and he must flee.
Order of operations: 1. Submit to God 2. Resist the devil. 3. He must flee. Whether you believe in spiritual beings or just the concepts of good and evil, the steps remain the same: first, submit to the Good. Love, truth, courage. Second, resist evil- harming others unless absolutely necessary, deceiving and lying. Live in the Light. And then evil must flee. Look at the lights being shined right now in Hollywood. As Jesus said, "You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." By the way, one of my friends who experienced these abuses in Australia said they did not have a religious component. Australia has traditionally been less religious than America. Yet the abusers still committed the same heinous actions- rapes, torture, killing animals and children. I think the religious aspect is invoked in countries where it will be perceived as powerful because of the culture.

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[–] angelafogo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

There is a satanic belief system behind all these systematic practice. Read Twyman

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[–] AgainstPedos 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Discussion of personal religious beliefs and accusing pedos of belonging to 1 or more religious/ethnic groups really turns off potential helpers who could be adding to and disseminating info gathered. MSM loves to falsely rant on of how pedo accusers are anti-Semitic and/or obsessed with "Satanic Panic." That said, I've been repeatedly told Christian Conservative Secret Service Agents absolutely hated and often refused to accompany Hillary to certain private parties in Hollywood and also in Chicago.

There's more than enough evidence available online (see numerous videos on the subject on YouTube) of what's going on by witnesses and former participants. Issue is LE fears serious retaliation and is often compromised. Word coming down to all levels of LE, from the very top on down, "Hands off anything related to anyone or anything re "The Old Religion" if you don't want to get brutally killed.

Solution? Petition to ask Pres Trump to appoint National Guard to interfere? He should go for it as there's direct Deep State connections. You do know they just tried to assassinate him in Vegas on 10/1, right? Word is a former MKUltra victim was able to warn him to change his plans ASAP and to visit Puerto Rico Sat night instead.

POTUS met with those that $$$$ benefited from 10/1 attack in Vegas, after 10/1 at the Luxor. Shots were still fired and an unknown VIP on the tarmac of "Janet" en route to Area 51 was hit. At least Vegas wasn't leveled with 10's of thousands killed as originally planned.

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[–] pizza-party-pooper [S] 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

hey @AgainstPedos could you leave the link about this info you detail here? I've not heard this before (Vegas assassination tip off). Thanks

Also I do understand how it might piss folks off to hear the religious angle, but we are running out of time to help kids. We have a window of opportunity to make some big positive shifts while the TV is still blarring Weinstein. The Old Religion must be exposed, in all it's facets. Quickly. Thanks

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[–] pizza-party-pooper [S] ago 

Also, @AgainstPedos I wanted to address this:

Discussion of personal religious beliefs and accusing pedos of belonging to 1 or more religious/ethnic groups really turns off potential helpers who could be adding to and disseminating info gathered.

The bottom line is we are not dealing really with your garden variety pedo. Just like everything in this currently post truth climate, even pedos are being used/weaponised as a smoke screen for some truly nasty stuff. We all agree pedophilia is bad, but there is a subset of abusers where pedophilia is at the heart of their Crowleyan practice. An evil doctrine that is being used as a blueprint for their "works" that involves pedophilia and ends in ritual abuse that has been witnessed and whistleblown by many for decades (Cathy O'Brien, Brice Taylor, Ronald Bernard, Cheryl Hersha, Svali)

I too, don't agree that the ethnic group of perpetrators matters. To be sure, anyone screaming "it's the jews" is a shill. Try being more honest shiller: say "it's the kaballist/sabatean frankists/babylonian talmudists. WHY they are doing what they are doing does matter. And they have wanted to make sure that part of it is covered up as long as possible. Make you think if you lock up a few peons you've dealt with the problem when they are still doing it at the higher eschalons. This aspect is the most problematic because it is the one that their coverup is covering up.

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[–] 2impendingdoom 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Logically speaking this is a really dumb argument. How can you possibly equate some one's believe in God with their belief in pedophiles who are actually tangible yet heinous on the Earth?

Moreover, if God is so powerful how does God allow such evil to exist and cause so much harm? It would seem that God wants pedophiles to live and commit terrible crimes.

Why is the the existence of pedophiles now atheist and agnostic peoples' problem? Why are atheists expected to compromise their Satanic operations?

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[–] SoberSecondThought 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I'm going to argue here for a sensible middle ground. Yes, you are correct that people of faith, people with spiritual values, are more likely to take this problem seriously. I think that's a statistical reality, just as it is a statistical reality that "blue" states are somewhat less church-going and less likely to volunteer or give to charity than "red" states are.

But I want to urge you -- all of you, not just OP -- to consider how your spiritual beliefs make you vulnerable to manipulation. Because they do. Back in the 1980s, the pedos exploited this vulnerability by playing up the Satanic abuse angle, rather than playing it down. The accusations quickly escalated far beyond what the evidence supported, dragging literally hundreds of daycares and kindergartens into prolonged scandals that led nowhere. The idea of Satanic abuse got discredited, which was a victory for them. And it got discredited in large part because of the excesses of sincerely spiritual people, who weren't good investigators, who didn't have anyone to impose rules of evidence, and who thereby got way ahead of the actual facts.

I agree that Voat's structure has some disadvantages. But this little community has developed some strong BS filters, and has stayed focused on real facts. (By that I mean, facts that will also qualify as facts to an atheist.) There won't be a repeat of the problems of the 1980s here.

I have something I am working on that will help address the scattered and repetitive way that subjects are addressed. Hopefully I can post it tomorrow. In the meantime, I would just say: Don't let v/pizzagate get divided along atheist/religious lines. We all need one another.

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[–] angelafogo 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

There is a good healthy line were you can be spiritual without becoming a paranoid fanatic. Still your point is valid.

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[–] pizza-party-pooper [S] ago 

agreed

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[–] Azamuku 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Can't get into the club unless you are willing to compromise your state of mind. If you try to leave there are tried and true ways to stop you. In the end it's individual belief to believe or not. They slip up over a large enough timeline to see the cracks. It's club logic. Everyone plays the game. Politicians, Police, Antifa, BLM, Neo-whatever. All of them. You cant fight them with morals of love and peace. I know the Satanists, Luciferians, Temple of Set, and whatever Alister Crowley's sect call themselves believe. "Do what thy wilt." Not all are involved, but the ones who are not in the secret club will cover or deny for the few that are in the circle. Log and document is the best we can hope for until more of us wake up. We are too busy working a nine to five to do anything for the most part. Family's to support, children to feed. The system is set up this way. Mores the pity. They will use anything to their benefit. Our petty differences and loathing of those who think differently allow them to move in the shadows. Keep an open mind to everything, It's a false seance of security to believe everyone thinks like you. They will use every slip to their advantage. We are all the same in the end.