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[–] neuroelectronic [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

FOLLOW UP, DEA RESPONDS TO CBS ALLEGATIONS: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/opioid-crisis-dea-responds-60-minutes-report/

tl;dr: NOTHING

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[–] randumb 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Are Doctors liable for the control of prescription drugs in your personal residence? Are we saying people to whom these opioids are demanded from doctors and prescribed for have NO responsibility controlling them? Do they not lock them up so their sniveling little children steal them out of their medicine cabinet to take or sell at school - or do they sell them at work or on the streets? How about putting up with a little more pain and fewer pills? While we are at it, let's blame the electric power providers for the 450+ electrocutions in America each year...

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[–] Cheesebooger 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Most of the OD's are not from pills from a pain clinic or pain patient. They are from heroin junkies and Fentanyl patches

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[–] neuroelectronic [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: The drug manufactures know what they were doing the DEA has a case against them. Now they're not allowed to prosecute them thanks to flawed logic like yours. Your comparison to electric companies is obviously flawed. A better comparison is if they pumped 10 times the amount of electricity into a district than it needed resulting in people getting electrocuted when plugging in toasters.

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[–] absurdlyobfuscated ago 

That's an excellent analogy. Another way I'd put it, it only takes a few big holes in the dam for the flood to stream through and drown a lot of people. We should be blaming the ones responsible for those big holes, not the ones carefully controlling a small flow that's just enough to help.

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[–] randumb ago 

As far as 10 times the electricity...that's a little over the top professor.

Sure the drug companies are partly responsible for making pain killers (to help manage pain) and yes the doctors tend to prescribe more than necessary...but patients also demand an excessive amount of drugs to control pain (especially after surgeries) and ARE responsible for controlling the leftovers? For example: Of the 50 opioids i was prescribed (after recent surgery) to manage any pain, I took only 5...the rest remain...so what should i do with them and should I be responsible for their proper disposal? Patients prescribed opioids have responsibility too...

(1) drop down toilet or in the trash like some do? (2) give to the teens stealing from their parents/grandparents who in turn ARE selling them to others? (3) share with friends at a party? (4) sell them and get an iPhone8? (5) or properly dispose of them through controlled drug disposal points in the community?

In your opinion, does the actual patient (individual) have responsibility?

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[–] absurdlyobfuscated ago 

Doctors absolutely share liability for being fast and loose with prescriptions, because people usually just take whatever their doctor gives them. Patients with a lot of pain are way too often given something that gets them addicted. People who know what the drugs do and actively seek them out, on the other hand, those people deserve all blame and condemnation for exacerbating the problem.

You can still blame distributors who turn a blind eye to diversion into the hands of shady pharmacies, they would be willfully ignorant of or entirely complicit in facilitating the ones who profit from addiction and supply the addicts. If they step up and put morality and the well-being of their fellow man above making money, they could make a significant positive impact here.

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[–] Cheesebooger 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

The jewish companies pushed Oxycontin and Fentanyl patches into Appalachia. The only people who will suffer over this shit are real chronic pain patients

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[–] SChalice 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The congressmen that drafted the bill that hampered the DEA was going to be Trump's drug czar.

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[–] 10818634? ago 

congress = junkies

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[–] placoid 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

This map shows the U.S. death rate from drug overdose in 1999. By 2015, the map looked like this.

And this overlapping map of unemployment tells us why. There is no opioid crisis, unhappy people are doing unhappy things. They can ban the pharmaceutical opioids entirely, they'll simply be replaced by black market alternatives. 20k doses of carfentanil can be smuggled in a single grain of rice, there's no stopping this. Prohibition always leads to more concentrated drugs with less purity and wider availability.

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[–] absurdlyobfuscated 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Interestingly, Texas doesn't seem to have been affected nearly as much as New Mexico despite having similar unemployment. That would indicate that they're doing something different to combat the problem, or other states are doing something to exacerbate it. I'm really curious what those factors are.

I think you're mostly right, but from what I understand a significant part of the problem is that doctors are too quick to prescribe opioids, which can get a lot of people hooked. When they run out it's basically impossible to get more legally, so they go to the black market alternative or just start on heroin. The prescription is the gateway that leads many people down that path, so without it you're reduced to typical motivating factors like unhappiness and poverty. Normal people generally don't go to extremes with things like hard drugs, you need a catalyst. That's an oxy prescription written to treat an injury for a lot of people, influenced by over-zealousness from doctors and drug companies.

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[–] theProphetsofCarnage 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Maybe a correlation to the amount of naturally occurring lithium present in the tap water of some Texas cities; El Paso comes to mind.

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[–] hypercat 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Most doctors are SUPER strict about prescribing low nonrefillable amounts. I work in this field and they are even telling dentists to give over the counter for surgeries. It's fentanyl. From China.

Also coke, LSD, MDA, MDMA, and other such drugs have become VERY available.

The drug market is getting flooded, shit is cheap as fuck, and little consequences. Who stands to gain? Certainly not doctors, they don't get paid per pill.

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[–] placoid 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Prescriptions play a role, but I think the correlation is coincidental. I see the overdoses as suicidal behavior, everyone knows the risk of an OD by now. Brookings has another interesting map they term deaths of despair.

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[–] TheMatrix 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

This has been known for a long time. Drain the swamp

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[–] Skeptic2 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

No doubt. Remember Iran-Contra? Read Dark Alliance by suicided former reporter from San Jose Mercury News.

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[–] Jesusthug 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Every fucking year it's a new cause they pretend to be worried about. I don't give a fuck how you die if it's by your own hand.