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[–] Fox_Hound_MGS ago 

They better use OxyClean to get the stain out of the carpet

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[–] kalergisplan 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Are those .223 rounds? I think he was over 400 yards away so probably not the best choice for ammo.

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[–] AynRandPaulRyan 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

.223/5.56 is combat effective to about 600 yards. Definitely not ideal, but M855 is still trucking along at 1500fps at that range, and hits with about 310ft/lbs. That's comparable to a 9mm pistol at the muzzle.

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[–] GeorgeLRockwell 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

They look very similar.

https://i.imgtc.com/KVWevjD.jpg

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[–] jervybingly ago 

Very good point, my man. You need a few hundred ups.

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[–] OneTrueCube 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Extremely stupid question; would one be able to use these interchangably, since they appear to have identical dimensions?

In other words, is a rifle chambered for 223 able to fire 5.56 and vice versa?

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[–] wifblat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The outer dimensions are identical between them. The pressure is the real difference.

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[–] Spectral 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Most likely 5.56 rounds.

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[–] Sueshia101 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

This has already been debunked.

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[–] bonked ago 

No. it hasn't.

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[–] kammmmak 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

HOTEL VIDEO FOOTAGE????????

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[–] lmkevin ago 

Why would you even put on a shirt that day?

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[–] kammmmak 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Vid camera footage elevators, halls, reception and lobby areas?

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[–] snowed_in 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

This (((website))) say that the police shot him.

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[–] jervybingly ago 

Put out multiple stories with lots of shooter scenarios. Usually works, but nowadays people be woke.

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[–] 10682819? 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

even without photos;

consider the logic behind the headline(s); 500 injured, 50 dead.

  • 32 stories high, with an automatic weapon, randomly firing—some people have never fired a weapon before, let alone moving targets, let alone moving targets from hundreds of feet up, and away, on an angle—angry.

  • audio reveals the shots where contained within a single vicinity versus spray pattern, or on an angle of entry into anything—important (buildings, dirt, trash, debris—something was struck with bullets, right?). no one screams in agony from being hit, wounded, trampled, or left behind.

eyes can be full of lies

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[–] Cat-hax 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Oh and it was dark out.

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[–] bonked 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

20K people tightly packed is a target rich environment - doesn't take much skill to hit anything with that as your backstop.

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[–] 10686579? 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

two distinct rounds of bullets can be heard.

a) an echo might occur with those building's architecture.

b) the gunman is aiming in an entirely different direction, and the echo is actually reverberation

c) two windows equal two gunman who couldn't sync their firing patterns

"i'm hurt" is all that could be made out. and it sounds like she was running and just panicked. A witness or victim should come forward and post the video, with all related information, including their injuries.

the first round of shots yield no reaction from the crowd. slow reaction can be complete biased here, since the video is shit, sound is shit, and thus "timing" can be misunderstood by all of us.

moving your finger just a few centimeters with an automatic weapon means hundreds of feet on the ground. draw a triangle from the window the field. and then imagine a tiny little man moving left and right with a gun, firing bullets at a rapid succession. If he doesn't move left or right, then the bullets should be concentrated in one area. If he does move left and right, he better be a highly trained sniper to make contact with that many victims, avoiding all debris or objects.

where is everyone's record of victims, blood, and bodies. 18 minutes of sitting down, huddled—like sitting ducks was the safest solution?

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[–] 10686549? 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

killed the whole crowd based on the audience size.

no video posted anywhere, by anyone, of anything?

fuckoffnigger

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[–] Doc_Brown_Lives 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

What I don't understand is that there were swarms of cars and cops in the intersection between the hotel and the festival. Even the taxi driver video shows him/her driving through it. Lots of target opportunities there as well, yet doesn't appear to be a single shot landing there.

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