[–] JesusRules 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I believe they are former NSA, but it still counts. But not for the (((MSM)))
[–] Are_we__sure 2 points -1 points 1 point (+1|-2) ago
VIPS as a group is mostly CIA, State and DIA. At least This is how they described themselves on one of their open letters from earlier this year.
Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) is a group of current and former officials of the United States Intelligence Community, including some from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the U.S. State Department's Intelligence Bureau (INR), and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
This letter does have three ex-NSA folks. However, I don't think any of them is an actual computer forensics expert. They teamed up with a guy named Skip Folden
Folden was an IT executive at IBM for 33 years, serving 25 years as the IT program manager in the United States.
[–] SavedbyJCfromRSA_MK 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
One reason this is getting almost MSM attention is the source of the article, The Nation.
The Nation magazine has been around a long time. It has deep credibility with the left as well as more centrist human beings. It only publishes it's well reasoned articles, after very careful analysis, the urgent daily news, isn't their focus. That good people exist across all political spectrum's, this is a reality both sides of any conflict ought to accept.
Pizzagate and Trumps unstoppable advance opened my eyes to the right. I stand up whenever I can now for the alt.right among my mostly leftest friends. It's real people, many of whom have the same search for truth and righteousness that I know exists on the left. No political side has a hold on all that's good or bad. We statistically reflect our parents views, it's rather simple.
So back to the magazine, it's a big deal when The Nation writes about it.
They are saying, the data got moved too fast for internet download, It was done at thumb-drive speed. Moving data to Romania would be particularly slow.
And secondly, the Guciffer 2 stuff was faked and after the fact. It was cobbled together and then made to look like Russians did it beforehand. The "meta data" makes this obvious to any qualified observer. I'm clueless on meta data, ...except that serious expertise stands behind that statement. .
All the individuals in the group making these extraordinary statements of fact, are carefully vetted in the article. People on Voat asking for present NSA / CIA employees to come forward, are asking for the impossible. Only those currently retired are allowed to speak, as these top level former NSA and CIA employees have been doing for about a year. They recognized the danger of the "the Russians did it" psyop scenario being advanced immediately after the Wikileaks release and began to warn us then.
[–] DarkMath 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Don't be fooled people. This is just part of Hillary & Co's frame Russia plan which is to show Seth Rich gave the DNC data to the Russians and thereby tanked Hillary's campaign.
The proof is that Seth Rich ISN'T DEAD: https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2034884
:-D
[–] star_boi 3 points -3 points 0 points (+0|-3) ago
russia issue is linked to attempted voting machine hacks and attempted breaches into local voting records... PLUS, whatever personal and financial collusion happened between individuals on Trump's team..... not about the emails! the average person does not care about the frigging emails and never did!! ( i am not referring to the Podesta emails).
[–] DarkMath 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago (edited ago)
"russia issue is linked to attempted voting machine"
The only thing Russia can be accused of is trying to alert the American people Hillary Clinton sabotaged Bernie Sanders campaign. But that's a GOOD thing. We like when other countries tell us about our corrupt politicians.
The only PHYSICAL evidence I've seen of attempts to hack into voting machine are when DHS attempted to hack into state voting networks in Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, and West Virginia.
And please don't pull an @RweSure, @are_we_sure, @are_we__sure and claim the DHS investigated itself and found no evidence it did anything wrong. The DHS can't investigate itself.
:-D
[–] The_Roman_Numeral ago
Stick to the proof DarkMath. The schoolplay evidence simply shows us that it's to prevent ANY further investigation. NOT to hide the conjecture that he's alive.
So were there planes or no planes on 911?
catch my drift?
stop.
"NOT to hide the conjecture that he's alive."
I don't understand your point. Could you be more specific?
"were there planes or no planes on 911?"
There were definitely planes. In fact for every airliner that was "hijacked" there was a drone replacement of the exact same time but loaded with even more fuel instead of passengers and included incendiary bombs to ignite all that fuel as spectacularly as possible.
Video of Ray McGovern, member of VIPS, discussing their findings, etc.:
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[–] Are_we_sure 2 points 0 points 2 points (+2|-2) ago
A. the DNC emails ARE NOT the Podesta emails. Braverman has nothing to do with the DNC.
B. "It's all there" except you don't seem to know what it ALL is. There's an email that talks about Braverman speaking to Politico. This is immediately followed by an email pointing out all the reasons that that it couldn't be Braverman and it names and a much more likely person who, unlike Braverman actually fits the description given by Politico.
It's one of the more amusing things about the Pizzagate crowd's Eric Braverman derangement.
[–] fartyshorts 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Eric Braverman was brought in to the Clinton Foundation by Chelsea and as soon as he saw what was going on he basically went AWOL. Last I heard he is or is going to talk.
[–] quantokitty ago
Is this a new confirmation? I could swear I posted a similar story. Let me try to find the post. Here it is and it's gateway pundit: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1988027
"Is this a new confirmation? "
It's confirmation Hillary is still trying to frame Trump by showing Seth Rich gave the DNC emails to Russia: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2034854/10037266
[–] Jimmycog 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
That indicates there is nothing to investigate.