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[–] hookednosedjoooo 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

the crux of this entire thing

No Chris, the most damning part of this was Tony Podesta's emails about Denny Hastert and their history. We've all heard about pedophilia is rampant in elite circles. Of coarse a Washington DC powerbroker would be the type of guy to engage in Eyes Wide Shut type shit. Like bro, do you even conspiracy? Do you know about Saville, Dutroux, Franklin Scandal, Presidio and everything else?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/24/pentagon-us-staff-downloaded-child-pornography

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[–] chris [S] 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

No Chris, the most damning part of this was Tony Podesta's emails about Denny Hastert and their history.

That's not damning at all, are you dense? They know thier friend got busted for kiddie porn and are saying he should go into hiding. How is that damning?

We've all heard about pedophilia is rampant in elite circles.

Right, which there is much evidence for. We're talking about pizzagate, though.

Like bro, do you even conspiracy?

Yes, apparently better than you.

Do you know about Saville,

Yes.

Dutroux,

Familiar

Franklin Scandal

Yes, I referneced Conspiracy of Silence in this thread before you even posted, lol.

Presidio and everything else?

Yes and yes.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/24/pentagon-us-staff-downloaded-child-pornography

That's not evidence for pizzagate nor does it address my specific question.

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[–] hookednosedjoooo 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I already know that Pizzagate was a limited hangout astroturfed psyop from day 1. This shit wasn't leaked organically, It was deliberately injected into the political discourse conveniently right before the election for maximum damage. Wikileaks is a mossad front, Jews got blackmail on every politician and they leak shit out to make their puppets dance every once in awhile. There is a pedophile ring in Washington DC, anyone who says otherwise doesn't know about Craig J Spence. Whether is GOP ring or Democrat ring it doesn't matter, they all do it.

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[–] PGIssRetardedAsFuckk 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

The therm "cheese pizza" was never used in any of Podesta's e-mail conversations. Pizzagate is entirely built on lies, non sequiturs and gross confirmation bias with zero evidence of a crime behind it. It's story and it's arguments are so stupid that it borders on satirical.

You won't get anywhere using facts and reason here.

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[–] chris [S] 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago  (edited ago)

You won't get anywhere using facts and reason here.

So far it's been a dead end, lol.

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[–] Are_we_sure 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago 

As said in this videoYouTube, the "code words from the FBI" basically dont exist and the codewords were basically created by a /pol/ user during the investigating, except cheese pizza.

Yeah, there is no existing food code know to the FBI. That is straight out deception. You can not find any evidence that list of terms existed before the podesta emails were released. In fact, I think it's a straight up deception. It's quite easy to take a dataset and see what words are often used. You often see these word cloud maps of speeches done. I think this happened with the podesta emails.

You know what phrase never appears in the Podesta emails? Cheese pizza. It's not never there, not even once.

the rest of the evidence starts to fall apart when you realize you have to assume that 50-60 year old politicians who dont understand the internet at all would be using terminology from a niche site that 90% of people on the internet dont even know about or visit.

It's way higher than 90%. Yeah, this part has always confused me. Hillary is what 70? Podesta is 68. They are active on the Dark Web?

Also why use an existing code? This is a small group of people who know each other. This is not a guy in Florida trying to buy Child Porn from a guy in Iowa over the internet.

If you use known code, it defeats the purpose. Also if code is known outside a group, it becomes slang.

I believe pizzagate started as a complete hoax and used it used existing nonsense conspiracies that people already believed it online. The idea that elite pedophiles control governments predates pizzagate for a very long time. And the people who believe it aren't too strong on facts or rationality or logic. So I believe that the very beginning of pizzagate was started by people who knew that if they put out some clues/starter material. The conspiracy folks would run with it and make all sorts of connections.

Look up at how they faked Hillary Clinton's involvement with Laura Silsby. They make it seem like she knew her. It's completely a hoax. It's quite obvious she had no idea who she was until 10 Baptist Missionaries were arrested in Haiti and the State Department got involved...........like they always do when Americans are arrested overseas.

Conspiracy theories are stories we tell ourselves and we believed them because of cognitive flaws we all have. We take random events and connections and turn them into cause and effect because that's how our brains work.

I can talk more about this later.

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[–] chris [S] 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

I believe pizzagate started as a complete hoax and used it used existing nonsense conspiracies that people already believed it online. The idea that elite pedophiles control governments predates pizzagate for a very long time. And the people who believe it aren't too strong on facts or rationality or logic. So I believe that the very beginning of pizzagate was started by people who knew that if they put out some clues/starter material. The conspiracy folks would run with it and make all sorts of connections.

See, I think there actually IS quite a bit of systematic abuse of children and pedophile rings, but I don't buy into pizzagate. If you watch the documentary on boys town (conspiracy of silence) or look into pedophilia in Hollywood, it's pretty clear it exists AT LEAST in niche and/or local groups. Not sold on the idea that there is a vast network tied into all politicians or that it's part of some underground network of mollock worshippers or whatever, though.

I think it's not rational to dismiss all conspiracy theories, especially now as quite a few have been outed in recent times, but there is definitely a fringe of conspiracy theories that are not based in facts at all.

I try to give pizzagate as much of a chance as I can, though (as evident in this post).

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[–] Are_we_sure ago 

I think it's not rational to dismiss all conspiracy theories, especially now as quite a few have been outed in recent times, but there is definitely a fringe of conspiracy theories that are not based in facts at all.

Name a few that have. Conspiracies certainly exist and are uncovered, but conspiracy theories specifically refer to commonly held beliefs that a conspiracy took place for which there is no evidence. The US mob worked with the Sicilian mafia to sell heroin out certain pizzerias was a conspiracy. And it wasn't predicted before hand. Comet Ping Pong is one of a series of Satanic pizzerias dealing in child-sex-trafficking and cannibalism throughout the US, including Brooklyn, Portland, San Francisco, Philadelphia and Ausian is a conspiracy theory.

That is conspiracy theories are supposed to be predictive. They are supposed to predict something that is not yet known. Conspiracy theories often popup AFTER an event to explain why something big happened. 9/11 conspiracies didn't take off when we invaded Afghanistan. They took off years later after we invaded Iraq when the politics made it seem more plausible. Though if 9/11 was an inside job done to justify the invasion of Iraq, why not make it look like Iraqis did it in the first place?

No Conspiracy theory has ever been proven correct.

No conspiracy theory has ever been proven true.

A less-elegant and wordier way to say this is that there has never been a popularly held conspiracy theory, ie, a non-evidenced belief that a group of powerful people secretly worked together to do something harmful, that later had compelling evidence to prove that said conspiracy was real.

Whenever I use this argument in social media, I’m invariably sent one of about half a dozen different internet listicles that attempt to prove me wrong by going through a number of conspiracies or conspiracy theories that were later proven to be real. One is a really long slog from Infowars. Another is from Cracked. There are still others from Listverse, Style Slides and True Activist.

What much of the content on these lists, as well as those who send them to me, get wrong on a pretty consistent basis is that there is a difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. Conspiracies are real, and many of them have been proven conclusively to have taken place at all times throughout history. Some of these include the conspiracy to assassinate Abraham Lincoln, the conspiracy to assassinate Adolf Hitler (the so-called July 20th plot), the conspiracy to throw the 1919 World Series, American tobacco companies conspiring to suppress scientific research that painted their products as harmful, and so on. All of these are real and none of them are theories.

Likewise, things like 9/11 being an inside job, JFK being shot by multiple gunmen, chemtrails, the existence of an all-powerful New World Order, FEMA camps and any number of banking and currency related plots are all conspiracy theories. That is to say, they are all theories that a conspiracy took place – and most have little to no evidence supporting those theories.

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[–] duhiki 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Do yourself a favor and pick up a book or three. John DeCamp's Franklin Cover Up - names national-level names partaking in the sex/drug courier ring, with a focus on the torture these kids endured. Conspiracy of Silence discusses about 45% of what's in the book; they left out a bunch of stuff. Cathy O'Brien's Trance Formation America - She delves into behind the scenes of the torture/Satanism as a child who endured it; she discusses the use of dentist chairs for torture/MKUltra purposes (ala Jeffrey Epstein). Both those books lay the foundation of Pizzagate as a continuation of horrific acts against children; the precedent has been set.

Question; what's your definition of "Pizzagate" because the mainstream definition is jacked on purpose by those controlling the media to give plausible deniability and to paint it as a lunatic's wet dream. But when one actually delves into the infamous instagram account of Alefantis, it raises some serious questions about his role in DC and how he garnered enough power and influence despite being a meager pizza slinger, to be counted among the 50 most powerful people in Washington. Especially when those photos include associating infants and toddlers to sexual connotations and money.

Brownstone Operations help keep politicians in line; put in compromising positions. This came out in public during a 1997 Senate Committee regarding radiation; some of those afflicted were also tortured with the government's okay, and their testimony taken.

https://imgoat.com/uploads/4173cb38f0/29112.png

Testimony: https://steemit.com/crime/@mandireiserra/mind-control-survivors-testimony-or-mk-ultra-and-pedogate-from-1995

Also take into consideration of Marc Dutroux, Belgium's child-kidnapping/raping/porn-making douchebag of the elites (who had seven houses; maybe it's my American mentality, but multiple homes are expensive with all them taxes/upkeep, so how'd he afford them all and still have time to kidnap and rape girls? Oh wait, he was paid to kidnap and rape girls.)

It's my (unpopular) opinion that the Mollach worship/Satanism ties into the MKUltra programming; used to torment kids and fracture their psyches, used to gather incriminating evidence of the elites participating to control them else evidence gets released, and said elites/politicians become fodder for legal issues and social pariahs/losing the life that enriched them with money and perversion. Plus, with a Satanism taint, it's easier for the masses to dismiss it rather than investigate it. That happened in the 80's with the Satanism "hysteria." Again, a precedent set.

These local groups are linked via those in control. Bring kids from outside areas to be trafficked, which means that the local populace doesn't get up in arms because it's not their kids. We saw this happen with the Franklin Cover Up/White House Call Boy scandal. Those "call boys" aka trafficked children, came from Nebraska to be used by DC elites at the fucking White House. When one looks at Tom Brokaw's report, we can see the propaganda line being towed; the legal focus was on credit cards being used to buy the rape of trafficked children, instead of focusing on the trafficked kids and those pimping them, because those people are assets ... when an asset gets busted, they either do little time and get on with their lives, or they are removed from the picture.

Research the CIA's modus operandi; it's very enlightening, and explains EVERYTHING. There's a reason school education covers certain aspects of how the American government works but utterly leaves out the CIA's role in it all. That is on purpose.

This link has an interview given by a former Forbes editor, explaining Mossad and the CIA's ties and shady things done.

https://steemit.com/crime/@mandireiserra/a-nasty-little-web-starring-hillary-clinton-vince-foster-and-robert-maxwell-special-guests-justice-scalia-sid-blumenthal-and

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[–] Tanngrisnir 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

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[–] carmencita 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Those "code words" are the very words the FBI use and look for on the dark web when hunting for pedos.

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[–] PGIssRetardedAsFuckk 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

Those "code words" are the very words the FBI use

I don't understand how after 7 months since the pizzagate embarrassment came out there are still people who blindly believe this obvious lie. You pizzagaters are a special kind of stupid.

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[–] chris [S] 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

do you have a source for that besides the /pol/ post?

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[–] carmencita 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

I am on phone not good at it. I know I have read it somewhere.

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[–] Ushil 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

This term as code for child pornography was long in use before pizzagate

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cheese%20pizza

Of course it isn't known to the average man if only pedos use it.

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[–] chris [S] 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Im not sure what point you're trying to make. I said cheese pizza is a term created in the early days of 4chan, not during pizzagate?

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[–] DarkMath 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

@Ushil is pointing out the Urban Dictionary lists it as a code word and that's outside of /pol and 4chan.

You could make the argument that the Urban Dictionary definition was made by someone from 4chan but you have no proof of that. You're just speculating basically.

I've been here since last December and I can assure you all those code words exist in the Pedophile world. The only question is whether they were just coincidences in the Wikileak emails or a sign of foul play.

Make sense? The question isn't do the words exist but HOW they were used in the Wikileaks emails.

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[–] DarkMath 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago  (edited ago)

"the code words from the FBI" basically dont exist"

That's flat out wrong. All those code words exist and are used by Pedophiles to talk in code. In addition to "cheese pizza" meaning child porn the term "Buck" has a meaning for Pedophiles:

A child they want to fuck on a camping trip.

Go watch the documentary "Chicken Hawk", it'll set you straight.

And stop listening to the MSM. You've obviously been "disinfo"ed into thinking the code words don't exist.


EDIT 1:

(sarcasm)

I want to apologize.

You know what you're right "chris". Those deplorables over at 4chan are bigots and want to keep gay people in cages.

Here I was this entire time thinking pizza was a sexual reference.

Or that a walnut looks like a prepubescent labia when clearly a walnut is a nutritious part of any diet.

Or even that walnut sauce as prepubescent cum was wrong.

I'll try harder to avoid wrong think in the future.

@_@

(sarcasm)

:-D

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[–] Millennial_Falcon 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

He's talking about 'walnut,' 'sauce,' 'cheese,' 'hot dog', 'pasta', etc. We have no sources to back up those as code words.

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[–] Are_we__sure 2 points 1 point (+3|-2) ago 

Yes. This what I was referring to.

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[–] DarkMath 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

"We have no sources to back up those as code words."

That's simply not true. I'm a little surprised to hear you say that Millennial_Falcon.

:-D

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[–] chris [S] 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Are you saying the video I linked is disinfo? He seems like he does some pretty good research and doesn't at all seem like disinfo to me, just a rational analysis of pizzagate evidence. The video is pro-pizzagate afterall.

What he says in that video is that those terms weren't something documented by the FBI, that a random /pol/ user just said that and people ran with it. It's entirely possible they were around and have been used and I'll check out that documentary, but do you have anything not in video form that would serve as proof for that?

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[–] Are_we__sure 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

The issue is the pzzagate evidence is incredibly weak. It's mostly speculation that is used as a basis for other speculation. It's simply not an honest investigation and it never was. It started from the POV of people who felt Clinton was horrible and must be destroyed. It was started by dedicated enemies of Clinton and Podesta who went hunting for ammuition to be used against them. And they didn't care if they had to distort what was in the emails or lie about them. There's simply no honest reading of the emails that gets you pedophilia-Satanism-cannibalism-trafficking, etc. So you have to change the meaning of the emails and come up with some code to make them seem sinister.

In this way provocative performance art by an internationally acclaimed artist became Satanism. In this way a pretty boring set of emails becomes the fodder for other people's paranoid fantasies.

If you really want to look into this, put all the Pizzagate stuff out of your head and read all the emails, one after another and see if they seem spooky to you. Then you'll see how much effort went into manufacturing this scandal.

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[–] DarkMath 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

"is disinfo"

Disinfo would imply the guy is lying. But he might just be wrong. Either way the fact "those terms weren't something documented by the FBI" doesn't mean the don't exist.

Do some more research to prove it to yourself. You might start by watching "Chicken Hawk". The word "Buck" most definitely exists and is a pedophile code word.

:-D