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[–] cover20 ago 

Why did the rates go up so vastly when Obamacare came in? Because some extremely expensive people had entered the pool, but it was designed so you could never know how much you were paying because of those people.

Largely, HIV+ people. That's the preexisting condition they don't want to talk about. There was an HIV+ woman following Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake, from DC to his townhall in Arizona, asking what would happen to her care if ACA is repealed. She says her care costs $100,000 per month and (of course) she can't afford it.

Well, to be blunt, neither can we.

Obama's real reason for all this, I think, was to get the HIV+ population covered at everyone else's expense. But I am sorry, I don't want to cover them at these prices. At some point, a human life is too expensive to support. And $100,000 per month with no end in sight is well past that point.

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[–] Polished-Brass ago 

I'm fucking healthy and only have health insurance through work because it's cheap. If I had to pay for an Obamacare Silver plan, it would cost me $900 in jewgold and you faggot taxpayers would pay another $900 to subsidize that coverage. Per month!

I'm in my 20s, not a fat, not a smoker, and I don't have the 'beetus. Why the fuck would I pay $900 for the privilege of a $1200 deductible? I could put my hands in my pockets for three months and have enough money to cover reasonable ER costs. But instead Obama put BC's hands in my pockets to subsidize health care for octuplets, niggers who haven't worked a day in their lives, and illegals bringing diseases here.

This has already been a record year for swimming-transmitted diseases. Go ahead and wear a condom over your face while at the beach.

So I would be insured with the prices Ocare charges. And half of that "we insured xx" is people newly on medicaid.

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[–] crankypants15 ago  (edited ago)

It's a big deal to the left because:

  1. Because Obamacare represents the left's socialist efforts and is a step towards socialism and gov't control of everything (which is called communism).
  2. Because the left has no idea how a free market actually works. They truly believe in this scam called Obamacare.
  3. After Obamacare was passed my employer couldn't afford so many full-time employees AND pay them require health care so we had to lay them off, and rehire them as contractors, responsible for their own health care. Obamacare fed the contractor surge since it was passed. Not that many people could actually get a subsidy for, nor afford Obamacare. Plans they could afford had deductibles of $5000-10000, and they didn't have the money for the premiums OR deductibles.
  4. Numbers quoted on "Obamacare users", I'm sure is just the number of users on the Obamacare websites, not the actual people who have an Obamacare policy.

Obamacare repeal is having problems because just enough Republicans are RINOs. Paul Ryan especially is being paid off by some Democratic interest. Follow the money.

and what are the alternatives that are hoped for?

  1. Obamacare limited healthcare exchanges to within one state. Trump wants to make exchanges allowed to have healthcare provided for by any company in any state. This increases competition and brings down premiums. There will also be a larger variety of health care plans.
  2. Put down the fork, exercise regularly, take personal responsibility, and be healthy.

Now are those 20 million people a hefty percent illegal immigrants?

Very likely. Because the illegal immigrants get welfare and can vote, that doesn't mean they actually got Obamacare in every state.

Other alternatives

Make people responsible for their own health. And enforce it.

In Michigan they are considering a bill to prevent people from buying soda using food stamps (we also call it SNAP or the "bridge card" because a debit card is used with a pic of the Mackinac bridge). But this has to be enforced at the retailer, and retailers rarely enforce current food stamp provisions anyway. Even if it passed, it is unlikely to make a difference unless Michigan inspectors do some sting operations.

This bill won't prevent people from buying sugary tea, sports drinks, or high-sugar "juices" though. So it's another dead-out-the-door from clueless Michigan legislators.

This bill is from the same culture that arrests men when their wives beat them bruised and bloody. Thanks Michigan!

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[–] Maxwellbegun ago 

You have a lot of great answers here, but I'd like to sum it up in brief: 20 million people will no longer be forced to buy a product that they don't want.

That's all.

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[–] 9273428? 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

But it doesn't even help in a catastrophe! Say you get a million dollar medical bill. You pay the deductible, and then your shitty bronze plan covers 60%. You're still left with a hospital bill of 400,000. Might as well still be a million.

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[–] Demwitsarestupid 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

The 20 million figure is a total lie. Not one person will lose health insurance. I'll tell you where the 20 million figure comes from. There may well be 20 million people who are currently being forced to by insurance who will choose to spend their money on other things.

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[–] The_Lurkster 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I don't understand how we would have 20 million less people with health insurance considering Obamacare is nose diving as we speak, and eventually there won't be any providers left in the program anyway. As to your question, the less govt involvement, the better. Prices and quality will be better for people who WORK and don't expect free shit for doing nothing.

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[–] MarcusA 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

The program that passed as Obamacare was not what it started out as. After obstinant Republicans got done with it, it became this Marketplace system. 2hrs of googling will get you up to spped on that part.

Anyway, the issue now is that the program relies on a marketplace of insurance companies who are forced to ensure everyone. They dont want to do this naturally, so there were huge subsidies from Federal GVT to prop up the program. However, Ins companies are not mandated to engage in the program if they dont want too.

Now, with Republicans in power, the subaidies are being cut off and Ind companies are walking away. The Marketplace is running out of vendors. In state after state, the program is collaping under its own weight.

This is largely because nothing was ever done to actually reduce the cost of healthcare in the country, only shift a chunk of the bills to taxpayers. Yet another program to steal from the populous.

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