[–] twistedmac11 1 point 10 points 11 points (+11|-1) ago
Same. I think it's an attempt to make us go after an innocent company in order to discredit us. There is no proof of anything out of the ordinary going on at Glacier Dental. I even saw someone go on about "OMG THEY HAVE DENTAL CHAIRS THERE, THEY MUST BE USING THEM FOR SOMETHING SINISTER".........but it's a dental office. Rofl. The one bad review for them is weird, but doesn't automatically make me think pedophilia or trafficking, and it's the only bad review that I saw for them. The threads are probably getting scrubbed bc there is no evidence, and leaving that stuff up is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
My question is, are the people pushing this shills? Or were they fed this info from somewhere and fell for it? Should we be looking at their previous submissions to see what other disinfo they may have spread?
[–] bunklunk 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
The threads are probably getting scrubbed bc there is no evidence, and leaving that stuff up is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
I think they're getting scrubbed so they can target specific pizzagate communities. Similar to this post from vice saying "Reddit's Conspiracy Theorists Think WW3 Will Begin Today", they want to be able to say "Voat pizzagate conspiracy theorists target and attack innocent dental office" and when this place actually has no substantial evidence they can say it's the second attack on a random business (which the media has already painted the Comet Ping Pong suspicions as). Makes us look bad and makes all the research to come out of here look bad by association (which doesn't discredit everything we've done but people who get all their info from the news will think it does).
[–] twistedmac11 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
Exactly. Derail the investigation and make us look even crazier, two birds with one stone. I'm interested in the timing though. I saw the first Glacier Dental post a few weeks or a month ago...why is it being pushed again now? Are they trying to distract us from something else, and if so, then what? I'm scrolling down through the "new" section and going over the last few days. OP made a bunch of posts on the same day; maybe they were trying to push a post off of the front page. Now Voat is (I assume) being DDoSed...wtf is going on here?
[–] anonymouslurker2000 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Yeah, it's all very odd, the place itself does look a bit sketchy, but there's been little evidence beyond the fact its logo resembles the boy lover symbol, it feels like a distraction to me.
[–] Pizzalawyer 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Either way the whole episode can damage VOAT/PIZZAGATERS whether it was a coordinated attack or an exuberant OP. They had several days to come up with something of substance and couldnt. Their headliners screamed a bit too loud, first clue. So it's been discredited and deleted. I think we should just move on but be aware if it something similar happens again. Quality research and analysis will help the credibility of Pizzagate.
[–] 4TruthUnited ago
Not to mention , inviting other sites to come here to continue the work . I don`t mind the other people but , if you are in the know , this is a desperate attempt to combine people to confuse the masses ." WE " being the masses , them being the people playing cat and mouse .
[–] SoldierofLight ago
Yes, exactly. I'm pretty sure he's a kid who literally lives with his mother in a single parent home and is a wannabe Big Important Poster because he's not getting enough attention in his life, but the bottom line is the same as if he's a paid shill-- we risk losing total credibility and also hurting the reputations of innocent people by swarming onto a business without evidence against them.
[–] DarkMath 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
Thanks for saying this. A non-shill wouldn't push the same fucking story day after day with little to no evidence. I think what these people do is sit in conference rooms and brain storm for a couple of days then send out whatever bull shit disinfo they came up with for a few days then wash, rinse and repeat.
It's hysterical to see some of the ideas they come up with. I was just corresponding with one of them who goes by the name IvankaJewCock. It's priceless humor if nothing else. The sad part is these useful idiots think people believe them.
[–] cantsleepawink ago
I was amazed by the number of upvoats those posts had within a relatively short timeframe.
[–] Pizzalawyer ago (edited ago)
I confess to being one of those initially supporting them but urging caution.as well.My support was due to the astonishing mini investigation of Abiku nightclub activities in Youngstown OH. Those posters started out same way and came up with legit results ..although I don't know what one does with those results. Certainly stay on top of Jane Vincent and her merry band of followers who might be attractive to runaway teens. More importantly, the mods did their job, gave IDeliverPizza wide berth and when it got out of hand stopped it. Thanks Mods.
[–] SoSpricyHotDog 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Thank you OP... I've been increasingly vocal about this same concern within the POSTS THAT HAVE BEEN REPEATED over and over again. It's nonsense. And then the "map" came out with the CA police departments, CPP and Glacier???
No. That's not helpful.
I agree, not necessarily that this is trying to cover something up, but, that this is disinfo/intended to discredit us.
[–] 4TruthUnited 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Very smart . I have done this work for over ten years , mainly in human trafficking . This is a attempt to shut voat down and to make us look stupid . I`m glad to see the people I trust here not buy it !
[–] CactusBrad ago
Coupled with the fact that the story hasn't been wiped from 4chan or reddit as far as I have seen.
[–] reasonedandinformed 0 points 8 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago (edited ago)
I had the exact same thought. Evidence to be skeptical of this:
Multiple postings of 3-5 posts, all at once, a couple of days ago, especially by @IDeliverPizza. This serves to give the appearance of a major lead while scraping the front page of legit posts. Take a look at his submission history and lack of reliability, always pointing to the next thing. This account has been around for four months, but he regularly posts SCREAMING HEADLINES that are just rumors...or things we might like to believe (huge break)...which are not substantiated or which never pan out in the end. IDeliverPizza has NO credibility in his history, so I am inclined to believe he is ShareBlue/CTR moreso than thinking he is just non critical in analyzing a lead. I am pretty convinced he is deliberate disinfo. The posting of multiple posts on the same topic within minutes is more support of this.
The Glacier posts lack any real substance. They are similar to other posts by IDeliverPizza, which sound promising until you actually dig...and this guy does minimal digging.
The coordination appears high level. It may be that there are some insiders at places like Reddit and 4chan who want to highlight these red herrings, causing us to harass the targets or promote provably false accusations in an effort to discredit or shut this down.
Based on the above, I am strongly convinced it is an actual DISINFO campaign and will only be convinced otherwise with hard evidence. The best evidence against it is the behavior of IDeliverPizza.
[–] Dressage2 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
MIT honeypot perhaps?
[–] 4TruthUnited ago
Remember we had the MIT writer here , not long ago and she swore she told everyone she was a writer , but only did it on a deleted submission ? Psychan*** ?