and be critical of all of them.
This is the most important thing. Most people skip this step because they may overtly agree with something. They stop thinking about it and they don't carry the thought out to conclusion. Being critical of everything is the most important step and people tend to skip it.
[–] nilceps [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
What if I observe the hive mind in a community? The problem I see is as communities grow bigger recognition of other members is shrinking which means the barrier of falling into the blind punish/award protocol grows.
If I don't have the generally accepted opinion I might get punished by others by getting downvoted wouldn't my normal reaction then be "Well those guys don't like me guess I'll leave for something else" and even if people don't downvote me but I reach way less upvotes than another commenter that made a comment that the "hivemind" liked.
[–] Porphyrogennetos ago
All you can do is resist it.
Call out the hypocrisy, irony, double standards, logical fallacies etc etc
There's more than enough work to go around.
[–] FiftyShadesOfBlack ago (edited ago)
I doubt it can be avoided. The algorithm (threaded comments, up/down votes, showing the comments with the most upvotes first, hiding the comments with more downvotes (does Voat do that?)) inherently leads to a hivemind.
The best way to resist is not to care about the imaginary Voat-points.
What if I observe the hive mind in a community?
If you recognize it, you're less likely to adapt to it.
The problem I see is as communities grow bigger recognition of other members is shrinking which means the barrier of falling into the blind punish/award protocol grows.
That's why people sharing an opinion gather and tell themself that this opinion is the right one. When the group grows it's now longer important who it is, as long as he belongs to the group.
If I don't have the generally accepted opinion I might get punished by others by getting downvoted wouldn't my normal reaction then be "Well those guys don't like me guess I'll leave for something else"
If your opinion is slightly off, you likely adopt, if it's far off you seek another hive with might fit better. The interesting states are inbetween, the insecure ones. Studies showed that the unsure members of a hive are most extreme in defending it and "missionaring" for it. Another part of unsures tries to rebel and see what happens.
even if people don't downvote me but I reach way less upvotes than another commenter that made a comment that the "hivemind" liked.
Negative feedback coming for the group identifing with is very strong, probably stronger than positive one. There is not much you can do about that, the human mind is not as smart as it thinks it is. All you can do is to be aware of the cognitive biases your brain suffers from.
[–] humanmilkfarm 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago (edited ago)
Maybe don't show how many points a comment has until you vote on it? People are often easily swayed to one side if they see everyone else's vote so they can know how they should feel about something, and so they don't need to spend all that extra precious mental energy making their own mind. Votes can gain momentum.
edit: reddit has a similar optional temporary feature that has to be enabled on a per subreddit basis. I always thought something like this should be default permanently. Maybe allow a "show points" button if someone doesn't want to have to vote on every comment.
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[–] humanmilkfarm ago
That's why I suggested a "show points" button that doesn't upvote or downvote.
[–] nilceps [S] ago
Couldn't this be easily exploited though all I would need to do is give an upvote look at the score and then form my decision around that? And what about cascading votes, i.e. "This guy has been downvoted before I know that he is wrong further down the thread.
I've seen some of the subs that used those features but they didn't seem to do much, maybe it's because the community has already settled and wouldn't change their opinion but I think the problem is still there with positive and negative reinforcement.
[–] humanmilkfarm ago
I guess if you consider your mind your own enemy, then it would make sense to call it an exploit. The point is help remind people to make up their own damn mind. Sometimes that extra barrier, however little, can make a huge difference.
[–] ColaEuphoria 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
On top of this, Karma shouldn't be seen as a total accumulation on users' profiles. It should remain localized to the context it took place.
[–] BunceWaggon 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
That actually sounds like a really good idea
[–] humanmilkfarm 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Wow, that almost makes too much sense.