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[–] CrustyBeaver52 ago 

Remember, during the Clinton era they were still lying their asses off - the real difference is back then everybody still believed them for the most part - and the MSM was at least still pretending they were telling the truth. These days, they hardly bother to pretend.

Trust? it's not about trust... it's propaganda. It's about brainwashing. Program the human like you train a dog.

Good Dog, Bad Dog, Look at these big tits, Have a treat, Sit, Don't read these files - Russians are bad.

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[–] WhiteRonin [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Loose lips sink ships ... That is a good starting point for sure!

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[–] badnewzhuze 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Any news source that is funded by corporate sponsorship should not be trusted. I thought this was fairly obvious by now.

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[–] WhiteRonin [S] ago 

Agree.

But that's not my point. I was pointing out how journalistic standards have steadily disappeared since Clinton came into office.

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[–] geneticDiaper 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

So do your own?

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[–] WhiteRonin [S] ago 

I guess you hate Comcast and have rolled your fiber for service, right?

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[–] CrustyBeaver52 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

When I grew up we had three tv channels, and two newspapers - some magazines and some books, and we believed everything we read or saw like it was God's gospel truth. We were a happy people - blissfully ignorant in every single way possible.

Today MSM is dying - as it should - but the Internet is exploding, and everyone with a cell phone is a reporter now. You get to see the world in real time, with all of it's true beauty and vile ugliness like never before.

We have tasted the fruit of the tree of knowledge and have been flung out of Eden as a result.

So, if you find yourself a little disoriented at the moment - don't be surprised.

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[–] WhiteRonin [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Grew up similarly.

I also get the idea if 24/7 connection. This new found information age is definitely still in its wild west stage.

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[–] revfelix 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Every news source is biased to some degree, because every news source is ultimately run by humans, who are by nature biased. Your best bet is to collect information from as many varied sources as possible and compare them, that should give you a reasonable idea of the facts and allow you to form your own opinions on the rest.

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[–] WhiteRonin [S] ago 

Agree but I'm also saying things have changed starting with Clinton's second term.

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[–] BAAC 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

As someone who spent a couple of decades as a journalist... No. None of them are any good. They never have been, but they were better at their jobs before. Now they can't even be bothered.

You need to read everything, talk to everyone, and find the threads that sound honest to you. No single source is reliable all the time.

But - one important thing - social media like FB is not news in any way, shape or form. It never was. It will never be. It is media for sale. It's as neutral and useful as a Gap catalog.

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[–] WhiteRonin [S] ago 

Awesome to have a person from the business.

When about a was the last time they good at their jobs?

I was thinking Clinton's first term.

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[–] BAAC 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Hmmm... I don't know. It's been that long. Did the press adequately cover the fact that as many as half a million Iraqi children under five died as a result of Clinton's economic embargoes and no-fly zones? (Remember: they hate us for our freedom...) Well, why would they when he got himself a blowjob in the Oval...?

I think there used to be more professionals in the job, so you had more bright spots. There were men and women who were actually prepared to tell truth to power. Those days are done.

The standard up until about 2000 used to be 3 reputable sources for any story. I had tons of stuff killed because I only had 1 source. And I can remember co-workers chasing stories for weeks until we were 100% sure - sitting in a room with 4 or 5 people debating whether we could run something. In retrospect, it was fantastic.

But, at least in our lifetimes, the media has always been the cheerleader for power. Think yellow cake uranium, Gulf of Tonkin... We've been the tools of government for so long I don't think you can point to a line.

If I had to say what finally killed journalism, it wouldn't be an administration or anyone on the left/right. It was social media, plain and simple. It's now about getting it up first and fast, and fuck your sources. Soon after that happened, PR and spin companies figured they could get their messaging out easily and cheaply because the filters were gone. No one had time for the meeting with 4 editors to see if a story was legit. It would take too long to get it up. Journalism died without so much as a whimper.

I remember picking up the phone once when I first started working and the guy said (not bothering to say 'Hello' first...): "I'm suing you. I'm suing your paper. I'm suing your publisher." Great way to start a conversation. But I had taken a shortcut and relied on one source. Never did it again. I think it's so common now, no one would even make that call anymore.

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[–] Knucklessg1 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

It's been this way for YEARS

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[–] WhiteRonin [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

True. It's gone from biased to out right push paid for agenda in the last year.

Back in the 80's Trump saying that it's fake news would have been met with him being over reacting and probably him trying to push an agenda. These days people are happy somebody is finally calling them out and supportive of his claims.

Ugh.

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[–] Knucklessg1 ago 

The fake news only got faker because they had to one up themselves for ratings

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