[–] obvious_throwaway1 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Regardless of experience you should always negotiate salary. I've been involved in hiring for over ten years and 100% of the time the initial offer is 80-90% of the max offer I am willing and able to spend. I don't agree with it, but it's always been the expectation - same process spanning across 4 different organizations in 4 different fields.
The offer you get will always be lower than the company is willing to pay. Failure to negotiate lets them know right out the door that you are someone they can walk all over and fosters a bad beginning relationship in my opinion.
In short, HR are assholes.
[–] piratse 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago (edited ago)
This is not always true. I also have done years of hiring. When someone is BRAND NEW out of school, I'll happily pull the offer if they throw a big stink about salary. 1) they have no experience 2) they are unproven 3) it shows me they would be willing to jump ship at the next highest offer. 4) they are basing it off what they think they should make based on the internet. I will only negotiate with people that have leverage. And a recent graduate with no experience or other offers has shit.
[–] obvious_throwaway1 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Perhaps I should clarify I've always worked for Fortune 100 companies, and 100% of the time a manager would not be allowed to pull an offer if someone negotiated the offer - the absolute worst that would happen is HR would reject the negotiated request and state they are firm on salary.
Pulling a job offer because of salary negations would land a FLSA lawsuit faster than you could blink for every org I've worked at.
[–] piratse 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Are you just going in assuming you need to ask for more? That's stupid. You need to look at work life balance, benefits, company size, advancement opportunity, and what the average for a new person in the industry is. Generally, your first job you take what you can get, you have no real value yet. Or you better have multiple offers.
[–] 1F4A9 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
As someone who hired people like you: nope. Unless you have multiple offers to choose from, you have a special skill, or there has been an opening for a long time and it seems likely that there are no other suitable applicants. They are taking a risk with you because you haven't proven yourself yet as a productive employee. As yourself this: can they get someone more qualified of someone similarly qualified that doesn't ask for more?
First get the job, you can always negotiate a higher salary later. Your bargaining position will be better then.
[–] Anonymous_User_69 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Negotiating is just a contest of leverage. You can't negotiate a salary higher than what you are worth, however, you can negotiate up to that point. It isn't a verbal debate where if you win you get more money.
[–] karaz 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Short answer: No.
Long answer: You have no bargaining chips and nothing to win other than a couple of extra bucks. Don't be greedy, take the low paying job and wait a year. After that, you can reassess your situation by checking other offers and either asking for a raise or leaving the company for a more lucrative position.
Experience is what pays, you have none. Don't kneecap yourself, everyone starts with a shit salary.
[–] zquad 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Many people offered valid points. Ultimately you have to have something, some talent, skill, work experience the company wants. What you can do is volunteer on open source projects that the company uses that you can use to upsell yourself. Please remember your current situation for future reference so that your future self don't find yourself attempting to bluff knowing you're not holding anything.
[–] curomo 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Check where you are relative to the market, if the offer is low, negotiate.
[–] Bolbi [S] 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
How do you determine where you are relative to the market?
[–] curomo 1 point 5 points 6 points (+6|-1) ago (edited ago)
well I don't know your gender for sure, so I'm not sure that I should say anymore... how else to us men keep our $0.23 bonus!!
But since this is voat and we have no women here: lots of sites have it.
I just checked on glass door: you can punch in the job title and market that your are in and they'll give you a reasonable estimate. Remember that salary is only one aspect of compensation. Think about vacation time, work hours, commute, and other benefits. (eg, are you willing to take $5000k/year less for a stock option worth $5000? the answer depends on your financial position and confidence in the company. hint - no matter what your confidence is, diversify when you can!!)
Welcome to the patriarchy!