[–] 8265607? 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
If you have other comparable but better offers, you could try (a job in a higher cost of living area probably isn't comparable). Otherwise I'd say no. No point risking the only decent opportunity you have to be greedy.
Check to see if the employer publishes salary bands to get an idea of the range for that position. Just expect to be at the bottom of the range as a new employee with no experience, or if you're at the minimum requirements for the position. A fresh senior programmer will likely be paid less than one who's been a senior for years. As a younger employee you're probably going to be paid less than older employees.
Go nuts with the negotiating when you're fully employed and applying for new jobs with nothing to lose. You will also have a better idea of what you actually want. Prior to that, I'd recommend locking down whatever job looks good enough to satisfy you.
[–] Dr_Poop 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I would try, but lightly. so you don't go way above your worth. The way I see it, if they offered you a job, they'll counter either way even if it is to say "We can only give you the same salary we offered". You have to accept the second offer though, you won't get more after that
[–] zquad 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Many people offered valid points. Ultimately you have to have something, some talent, skill, work experience the company wants. What you can do is volunteer on open source projects that the company uses that you can use to upsell yourself. Please remember your current situation for future reference so that your future self don't find yourself attempting to bluff knowing you're not holding anything.
[–] Anonymous_User_69 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Negotiating is just a contest of leverage. You can't negotiate a salary higher than what you are worth, however, you can negotiate up to that point. It isn't a verbal debate where if you win you get more money.
[–] piratse 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Are you just going in assuming you need to ask for more? That's stupid. You need to look at work life balance, benefits, company size, advancement opportunity, and what the average for a new person in the industry is. Generally, your first job you take what you can get, you have no real value yet. Or you better have multiple offers.
[–] obvious_throwaway1 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Regardless of experience you should always negotiate salary. I've been involved in hiring for over ten years and 100% of the time the initial offer is 80-90% of the max offer I am willing and able to spend. I don't agree with it, but it's always been the expectation - same process spanning across 4 different organizations in 4 different fields.
The offer you get will always be lower than the company is willing to pay. Failure to negotiate lets them know right out the door that you are someone they can walk all over and fosters a bad beginning relationship in my opinion.
In short, HR are assholes.
[–] piratse 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago (edited ago)
This is not always true. I also have done years of hiring. When someone is BRAND NEW out of school, I'll happily pull the offer if they throw a big stink about salary. 1) they have no experience 2) they are unproven 3) it shows me they would be willing to jump ship at the next highest offer. 4) they are basing it off what they think they should make based on the internet. I will only negotiate with people that have leverage. And a recent graduate with no experience or other offers has shit.
[–] obvious_throwaway1 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Perhaps I should clarify I've always worked for Fortune 100 companies, and 100% of the time a manager would not be allowed to pull an offer if someone negotiated the offer - the absolute worst that would happen is HR would reject the negotiated request and state they are firm on salary.
Pulling a job offer because of salary negations would land a FLSA lawsuit faster than you could blink for every org I've worked at.
[–] zak_the_mac 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
It's easy to get something to negotiate with: apply for a number of jobs, and compare the salaries they offer you. If the job you particularly wanted didn't match the salary offer from another company that you didn't want so much, you could ask the company you wanted to work for to match it.