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[–] piratse 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Are you just going in assuming you need to ask for more? That's stupid. You need to look at work life balance, benefits, company size, advancement opportunity, and what the average for a new person in the industry is. Generally, your first job you take what you can get, you have no real value yet. Or you better have multiple offers.

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[–] obvious_throwaway1 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Regardless of experience you should always negotiate salary. I've been involved in hiring for over ten years and 100% of the time the initial offer is 80-90% of the max offer I am willing and able to spend. I don't agree with it, but it's always been the expectation - same process spanning across 4 different organizations in 4 different fields.

The offer you get will always be lower than the company is willing to pay. Failure to negotiate lets them know right out the door that you are someone they can walk all over and fosters a bad beginning relationship in my opinion.

In short, HR are assholes.

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[–] piratse 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This is not always true. I also have done years of hiring. When someone is BRAND NEW out of school, I'll happily pull the offer if they throw a big stink about salary. 1) they have no experience 2) they are unproven 3) it shows me they would be willing to jump ship at the next highest offer. 4) they are basing it off what they think they should make based on the internet. I will only negotiate with people that have leverage. And a recent graduate with no experience or other offers has shit.

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[–] obvious_throwaway1 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Perhaps I should clarify I've always worked for Fortune 100 companies, and 100% of the time a manager would not be allowed to pull an offer if someone negotiated the offer - the absolute worst that would happen is HR would reject the negotiated request and state they are firm on salary.

Pulling a job offer because of salary negations would land a FLSA lawsuit faster than you could blink for every org I've worked at.

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[–] curomo 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Check where you are relative to the market, if the offer is low, negotiate.

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[–] Bolbi [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

How do you determine where you are relative to the market?

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[–] curomo 1 point 5 points (+6|-1) ago  (edited ago)

well I don't know your gender for sure, so I'm not sure that I should say anymore... how else to us men keep our $0.23 bonus!!

But since this is voat and we have no women here: lots of sites have it.

I just checked on glass door: you can punch in the job title and market that your are in and they'll give you a reasonable estimate. Remember that salary is only one aspect of compensation. Think about vacation time, work hours, commute, and other benefits. (eg, are you willing to take $5000k/year less for a stock option worth $5000? the answer depends on your financial position and confidence in the company. hint - no matter what your confidence is, diversify when you can!!)

Welcome to the patriarchy!