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[–] GandalfThePink ago  (edited ago)

I just spent 2 days of slipstreaming headaches for a 7 install alongside 10. Mainly just tutorials written by idiots and leaving out essential information I think.

I blame it all on MS because they could have offered a telemetry free 'sp2' download ISO for windows 7 with all this stuff working right for uefi installs. Now manufacturers don't see the need for proper official support, even despite missing features due to the os missing updates.

I wouldn't mind if 10 worked properly but the 7 hostility, the forced updates and spying, and very poor driver/updates system just makes it a no go for a professional with a stack of software and plugins worth thousands £££ that all work perfectly in 7, but not in 10.

I'm happy with missing features on my laptop while running 7 for work. But it's just very sad there is no 'official' non fully working drivers.

MS encouraging an environment where all we can expect on 7 is unofficial support is what is sad because 7 is still hugely capable and relevant.

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[–] Troll [S] ago 

If you're gonna go through hassle of setting up UEFI dual boot with Windows 10 you might as well install Linux as your secondary OS. Just to give it a try if you will.

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[–] GandalfThePink ago 

Purely as an exercise it'll be interesting to try Linux alongside 10 on an nvme with uefi and gpt.

I'm doing lots of testing and image backups so I'll give it a bash once I get 7 running nicely and backed up.

Ideally I want to run 7 partition encrypted with veracrypt so 10 can't see it, but I'm already foreseeing issues with the bootloader haha.

It's a shame all that stuff is still so complex.

Oh for the ability to just have it all in plain text ascii files if you temporarily mount the partitions... Ffs!

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[–] CanIHazPhD ago 

I know this will sound controversial, but I'm actually glad that AMD did this. At this point, they need to pour as much cash as they can into R&D and design so they can catch up/surpass intel and bring some competition to the market again. The cost saved by not testing/validating for other OS's can be well spent in this endeavors.

In a perfect world, I'd like to see support for win7 and win8 (for people and enterprises that still use those OS's), but we don't live in a perfect world.

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[–] skidmark-steve 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I look at this as just another reason to instead get a used I7-4xxx CPU/mainboard from Ebay. Hardware is fast enough, all I really want are AES acceleration and SSE4, two things which this Phenom II does not provide. As a bonus, it will be significantly cheaper and I will not need to buy new memory.

So go ahead, AMD. Cut off Windows 7 support early, in spite of it still getting patches for the next three years and commanding more than half of the PC market.

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[–] Demose ago 

I don't think it's the chip manufacturer who patches the operating system to support new instructions, at least not with proprietary operating systems.

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[–] pitenius 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

When I first switched to Ubuntu, it didn't include drivers for my WiFi. I wired up and asked around in forums. Result? "Write your own driver, n00b." That didn't happen, but it makes me wonder -- is it hard to write drivers? It might not be...

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[–] Disappointed 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

None of them suggested NDISWrapper?

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[–] pitenius 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

No. I didn't press too much. It seemed out of my league and my parents wanted to "see how the new computer worked".

But now you've told me :) and I'll check it out!

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[–] pitenius 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Thank you -- I admit my ignorance and if I'd known more, I would have objected.

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[–] Gamio 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Right this is misinformation same kind of misinformation that happened with Kabe Lake, the processors will work in Windows7 but just that like the Kabe Lake boards from Intel most of components have moved into the die of the CPU. What no one seems to remember is that Kabe Lake's built in USB controller has no compatible drivers on the Windows 7 install image, the biggest problem anyone installing Window7 had was their USB keyboards and mice not working during the installation and if you have nothing but the a basic board you are right up shit creek.

But manufacturers got around this by having a I/O chip (extender that sits on the PCI-E bus) that added cost free PS/2 keyboard & mouse support, PCI functionality, and then just having extra USB controllers that have Win7 drivers. Some even made tools that patched the Win7 ISO with compatible drivers. Fine for anyone with a little bit of knowledge but the long and short of it is no systems sold with Ryzen (laptops, Dell PC's etc) will come with Windows7. (Kaveri laptops aren't even properly supported in Win7)

You do lose out on instructions that Win7 was simply not or will ever be patched to support the instructions and features Ryzen has but it will be bootable, there will be workarounds, you can avoid 8 & 10 if you really wanted to. You could just learn about iommu passthrough, use any old half decent Linux distro and setup a virtualized copy of Windows with drivers which are allowed have direct access to your GPU so no game should throw a stinker when you want to play it and you'd avoid a serious amount of Microsofts bullshit.

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[–] DigitalTendencies 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2990941

It is possible to add the drivers in. It mentions for NVMe drive but you can just give it the USB3 drivers instead.