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[–] AreWeSure 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

This General does not agree that NATO is obsolete.

He wants to adapt and revamp some parts. That does not mean NATO is obsolete and it is certainly not a concession

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[–] adfasdf 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Anytime we're paying 70% and getting maybe 20% of the benefit, the agreement and possibly the organization is obsolete. Post war, it made sense, but now every single one of those countries has single payer healthcare and as a country we can't even maintain infrastructure.

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[–] BRAlNlAC 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Exactly. I get so tired of hearing Europeans bitch about the US when they have great welfare and we have a great military that directly enables their standard of living. Then they laugh at us and call us barbaric for our wars and lack of welfare programs.

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[–] SparkS 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

it is dog. today more than ever nato lost its meaning. and thats proved by the factual military situation around the world in present. what that mf did there was a political act. it was just like what i said nato is for a long long loooong time ago, a political and economical pressure organization used by certain power cells from the west against some states inside the eu/nato alliance to gain diverse things(especially economical). the rest is bullshit for retards. on the other hand its understandable cause nato..... its so much to explain here at least from the perspective that the nato word has a distortioned sense in the media.... practically most of the interests made nato to be actually an european army allied with basically usa and their interests were very different on many aspects. on one hand it was mainly like a marriage forcefully kept for the eyes of the world while in its essence was rotten as fuck.

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[–] AreWeSure 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I don't care what your opinion is, I was pointing out the fact that the general did not say NATO itself is obsolete.

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[–] aria_taint 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

The problem with NATO is that the US pays for way too much of it and most of the member countries have become cuck faggots who enjoy being raped by sand niggers.

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[–] jacksonduke12 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

NATO has been obsolete since 1991.

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[–] 1Sorry_SOB 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

NATO is a career for thousands of people. This will be a tough one to drain.

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[–] SonOfRobin ago 

Gonna need some new alliance. We are going to have a new war. A North vs South type of war. The demarcs are the Mediterranean and the Rio.

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[–] idm03 ago 

A military alliance of sovereign nations to protect against those that operate outside of the standard state-relations regime? We do no need a homogenization of major military powers to protect from enemies that cannot be targeting using outdated international alliances. Exploitation of the cumbersome nature of the bureaucracy will always happen when there are those that are willing to resort to asymmetric attacks.

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[–] canbot 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

If NATO is obsolete it is only because NATO won. Which also means that as soon as it is gone the problems it solved will reappear. Getting rid of NATO would be like opening the gates to tens of thousands of violent radicals, and paying for their every need so they have nothing but time on their hands. Good luck with that Germany.

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[–] newoldwave 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If Europe can't take care of itself after 70 years (following WWII), it never will.