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[–] Dortex1 ago 

You really want to avoid going to other animals for examples of "cooperation without government" because what most of them have are iron-fisted (so to speak) totalitarian dictatorships, or what amounts to generational God Queens (in the case of hives). Wolves? It's literally a bunch of pups following their parents around until they find a mate and make pups of their own to follow them around. Methinks you have a rosy idea of how animals function together.

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[–] Brigbjones ago 

Congrats: animals =/= humans. "The more you know" schwing! Humans have been organizing their own collectives for years then they get big and start getting stupid. A person is smart people are dumb panicky and stupid. Why did we think organizing a bunch of them together would turn out better for the individual? We sink and swim on our own with the bonds that we forge, this is fair, this is good. Everything else requires the initiation of force. Not all people get rich or even get to survive, this is just life. Do what YOU can to make it better, take personal responsibility don't shove it on some suit in Washington.

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[–] Dortex1 ago 

First of all: Old comment. Second: Humans are animals. This isn't up for debate. The speed of light is constant, water is composed of hydrogen and oxygen, and humans are animals. If this makes you uncomfortable, then I suggest you take a good hard look at yourself. Third: I don't think I'm following you here. You start by giving me some very vague nothings about big collectives, then try your hand at speech writing. Let's talk right down to earth in a language that everybody here can easily understand.