[–] 7533039? 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
You claim no evidence of kill orders, but then make up some stuff about it being important to keep them alive with just as little evidence. Your narrative is just as made up to serve your own interests as the organised holocaust crowd.
Reality is that they wanted those in the camps removed from German society, originally not by killing them but by relocating them. But as the war progressed they started using them as forced labour, working them to death. There was no grand scheme to commit the holocaust, it gradually grew into that. Every small step along the way justifiable by those doing it, when they would never agree to the overall picture. Humans are funny like that, easy for us to lose sight of the big picture, when faced with whatever issue is at hand now. Then use the previous step as an excuse to justify the next.
[–] xeemee 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
you and the guy you're debating with -- @Thetiedyeguy -- are both making some good points, but i'd like to try and clarify some of this if i may...
You claim no evidence of kill orders, ...
there is no document i'm aware of that indicates there was a policy to exterminate the Jews - if there were, it would be prominently featured in every holocaust museum - the policy was always one of expulsion of Jews which were 1/2 Jewish or better and, in fact, a great number of Jews fought in the German army, some rising to very high ranks
Reality is that they wanted those in the camps removed from German society, originally not by killing them but by relocating them. But as the war progressed they started using them as forced labour, working them to death.
i've found no evidence of Jews being worked to death - now obviously we all were inundated with film, photographs and books which depicted piles of corpses, but it is vital to understand all of these pictures were captured in the last months of the war when conditions in the camps were at their worst due to the allied pressure (matter of fact, many inmates died after liberation)
basically, the advancing allies forced the consolidation of prisoners into a smaller number of camps and this created severe overcrowding - now add to that the typhus epidemic which was a problem in occupied Europe, but especially so in the camps, plus a lack of food and medical supplies because of bombed infrastructure and you have the perfect storm - those people died primarily of disease, not abuse
Dr. Charles Larson...
When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes.
Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America’s leading forensic pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army’s Judge Advocate General’s Department. As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team, Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at Dachau, he was questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors. [1]
Dr. Larson’s findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: “What we’ve heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax.” [2] And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he “was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater” of Allied military operations, [3] confirmed that “never was a case of poison gas uncovered.” [4]
Dr. John E. Gordon...
Most deaths in the concentration camps were caused, not by starvation or maltreatment but by typhus.
source for the above: Rescuing Israel: The Holocaust – The Bodies | 12Bytes.org
as for the claim of homicidal gas chambers, that is easily refutable...
for more, please see: Rescuing Israel: The Holocaust | 12Bytes.org
[–] Thetiedyeguy 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
I am merely pondering and postulating based on fact, if keeping jews alive was unimportant to the nazi government, presumably they would have killed them or let them die. But instead they kept sending food, medicine, staff amd maintenance until workers fled due to allied advance or they ran out. Even while the country croumbled and their dreams of a German Europe died, even when hitlers loved and admired aryan race starved and died. The assumption that they were important isn't ridiculous imho. *submitted before finished
[–] 7533489? 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Facts have evidence. Where is yours that keeping those in the camps alive was so important?
They kept them alive enough to work, until they dropped dead from that. Nothing more, nothing less.
Just like the aryan race, you claim hitler loved so much, were nothing more than pawns in his lust for power. Madmen like him don't care about others, just themselves. Even those closest to him were executed the moment they stopped being useful in his eyes. Whatever his intentions were, and I don't doubt he had initial good intentions for the German people, they are soon swept aside when the lust for power grows.
In the end he probably despised the German people, for having failed him. People like that are incapable of finding fault within themselves. His army, his people, they failed to execute the plans he set for them. Never mind that the plan itself was an impossible task.
Idiots like you who deny the entire holocaust, and claim the camps were Disneyland, are the biggest puppets of those who claim it was by design. They can point their fingers at you and claim it is still happening today, because you have to be a fool to make such claims. Then they can tag along their bullshit about it being planned all along.
It happened. It wasn't planned.