[–] JanMichaelVincent ago (edited ago)
Why kill them at all, then? In fact, why put them in camps when they would contribute a lot more to the economy as autonomous workers?
It's almost as if, there was a war on, and he was trying to maintain stability by putting potential dissidents in one place.
Read my other replies.
Their was no plan to kill them. It happened because that's were things ended up.
The other guy is claiming the camps were Disneyland. How good they had it. Give me a break, they were forced labour camps were you died if you couldn't work. That was not the initial plan but that's what happened as the war went on.
[–] Was_This_Name_Taken 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
If there was no plan to kill them, how come there were extermination and death camps besides consideration camps, let alone how many "undesirables" died?
[–] Thetiedyeguy 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Then they would have killed those who couldn't work, but they didn't, in fact no evidence of a kill order from hitler exists. almost as if there's a tightly controlled narrative surrounding nazi germany. They used them as slave labour once Germany started running out of young men to work because they were either fighting or dead. And they continued to feed, staff and supply the camps even when all Germany was starving under the trade embargoes against them, almost as if it was important to Germany that they lived even if they couldn't work. I guess it's a mystery of history though.
[–] 7533039? 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
You claim no evidence of kill orders, but then make up some stuff about it being important to keep them alive with just as little evidence. Your narrative is just as made up to serve your own interests as the organised holocaust crowd.
Reality is that they wanted those in the camps removed from German society, originally not by killing them but by relocating them. But as the war progressed they started using them as forced labour, working them to death. There was no grand scheme to commit the holocaust, it gradually grew into that. Every small step along the way justifiable by those doing it, when they would never agree to the overall picture. Humans are funny like that, easy for us to lose sight of the big picture, when faced with whatever issue is at hand now. Then use the previous step as an excuse to justify the next.
[–] Thetiedyeguy 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
I am merely pondering and postulating based on fact, if keeping jews alive was unimportant to the nazi government, presumably they would have killed them or let them die. But instead they kept sending food, medicine, staff amd maintenance until workers fled due to allied advance or they ran out. Even while the country croumbled and their dreams of a German Europe died, even when hitlers loved and admired aryan race starved and died. The assumption that they were important isn't ridiculous imho. *submitted before finished
[–] xeemee 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
you and the guy you're debating with -- @Thetiedyeguy -- are both making some good points, but i'd like to try and clarify some of this if i may...
there is no document i'm aware of that indicates there was a policy to exterminate the Jews - if there were, it would be prominently featured in every holocaust museum - the policy was always one of expulsion of Jews which were 1/2 Jewish or better and, in fact, a great number of Jews fought in the German army, some rising to very high ranks
i've found no evidence of Jews being worked to death - now obviously we all were inundated with film, photographs and books which depicted piles of corpses, but it is vital to understand all of these pictures were captured in the last months of the war when conditions in the camps were at their worst due to the allied pressure (matter of fact, many inmates died after liberation)
basically, the advancing allies forced the consolidation of prisoners into a smaller number of camps and this created severe overcrowding - now add to that the typhus epidemic which was a problem in occupied Europe, but especially so in the camps, plus a lack of food and medical supplies because of bombed infrastructure and you have the perfect storm - those people died primarily of disease, not abuse
Dr. Charles Larson...
Dr. John E. Gordon...
source for the above: Rescuing Israel: The Holocaust – The Bodies | 12Bytes.org
as for the claim of homicidal gas chambers, that is easily refutable...
for more, please see: Rescuing Israel: The Holocaust | 12Bytes.org