[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] 1 point 2 points 3 points (+3|-1) ago
Basically the first hint I got of this rather peculiar current in any kind of non-anecdotal way was from Milo. It was also the first time I really noticed him:
I have had women tell me though that younger guys don't try to pick them up. That they've lost their game essentially. I've also read of women complaining of similar.
It's kinda weird out there.
[–] kulturkampf 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
That is a really good Milo article, thank you for posting it.
I really dread the idea of having a male for him to become a 'beautiful one.' It seems like an abject failure in parenting -- but I can understand how dads who didn't think they were living in a unique period would let their kid fall in between the cracks.
It is important for males to know that they do live in an age of decadence and decline, and we should talk about that frequently. The first step to overcoming your problems is to realize that they exist.
[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
Looking over this thread and the upvotes/downvotes it appears some around here at least prefer not to come to grips with their problems.
Of course a place like Voat or even an internet platform in general is likely to have a disproportionate number of retreating male shut-ins. Still, I've been seeing a somewhat aggressive effort to promote loser 'philosophy' that is a little disturbing.
Iirc, Richard McCulloch wrote a chapter in one of his books, reflecting on the relation between feminism (as a cause of discord between white men and women) and people looking for sex/mating partners of other ethnic groups.
It makes sense: those white 'loser men' might eventually get a post order bride from Eastern Europe or Asia because these are 'real women', and the white 'neglected women' end up with a negro or muslim because they are 'real men'.
[–] Quaestorr 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
I might have been a mild case of this 'MGTOW' phenomenon myself. It wasn't gaming that became my focal point, but reading a lot. In addition, I did have the occasional relationship, but was often annoyed with the superficiality of the women I managed to court β of course there were women with more brains but these were either non-attractive or socially and politically averse to the outlook I was developing βor both!β and also the vulgarity of 'going out' (visiting bars etc.)
Part of this was also my unrealistic idea that I'd meet some sort of a soul mate, who would both be incredibly hot and would share my political and philosophical views.
It took me easily more than a decade to recalibrate my expectations of life. I am a happier and wiser man now, but still sometimes miss those hermit days though, and at times resent the fact I now have to regularly spend time with family, in-laws, family friends etc.
I admit it would be way better, demographically, if all our young one would get into having children somewhere between their 18th and 25th.
[–] Morbo 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
Sounds like everything you know about MGTOW came from feminist sources. You're making generalizations about the men who go there own way without realizing every case is different. Yes some do it as a purely social snubbing of traditional male roles and may even fit the basement dweller stereotype you described, but that does not cover the gamut. Calling all MGTOW men basement dwellers is as bad as saying the opposite where any man not going their own way is a white knight who is so weak-minded and -willed that he is nothing more than a biological slave to the female sex organs. If the world is that black and white for you, well that's perfectly fine but it's not a universal viewpoint.
[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] 2 points 0 points 2 points (+2|-2) ago (edited ago)
It's a puerile, dangerous idea however each individual involved in it specifically lives. And such facile ideas are typical of the young, immature males I cariacatured.
In any event that particular part of my post wasn't even the meat of it. MGTOW presents the threat in actuality that Enlightenment thinkers ascribed to normalizing homosexuality - birthrate depression. For that reason alone it should be ridiculed or otherwise stigmatized with whatever weapons are at one's disposal. Fortunately it is very easy to ridicule.
[–] Morbo 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Why are you complaining? Sounds like they're doing you a favor by not competing for the women you are coveting. You'll get your genes out there and they won't so why hate them. Go chase the pussy and be the man someone else decided you should be. MGTOW isn't standing in your way.