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[–] Fishy-business 3 points 3 points 6 points (+6|-3) ago
Most have moved on elsewhere I believe. I just don't know where .......I guess that's a good thing.
[–] EndThePizza 3 points -1 points 2 points (+2|-3) ago
I've been getting that same feeling. I haven't seen much quality research here recently, and i doubt it's because the most talented researchers stopped researching. I suspect/ hope they found a more private, shill-less platform for serious collaboration.
[–] Millennial_Falcon 7 points -1 points 6 points (+6|-7) ago (edited ago)
I'm sure there is a lot of research going on in more private forums, but the only shills on here are users claiming "pizzagate is fake news" and also posting intentional shitposts and trying to associate pizzagate with being anti-gay, anti-semitic, etc. The shills also attack mods as a way to create distrust in the sub.
[–] SpikyAube 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I disagree- I've seen many posts that really undermine the investigation because they have no substance, they have no evidence to back them up at all. Posting a link to a web site that makes a claim is no good unless that website states its sources or links to evidence.
If we don't do it properly and ensure that we are only making claims we can prove or suggestions that have a solid rationale behind them, the whole thing will become a total joke and a mess. I say that as someone who is a professional researcher - I know lots of people working here aren't professionals and haven't been trained so might not know why this way of doing it is so important, but it really really is. I think it's the opposite of what you are suggesting - the fact that mods here are strict about making sure people have evidence to back up their claims and assertions just goes to show that they want the investigation to be seen as legitimate by outside people.
It would be so easy for people to discredit everything and file it away as a lunatic conspiracy theory if they come here and read a ton of posts that are all wild speculation or have no sources or evidence linked. The thing that makes people get that realisation that 'oh my god this is actually true, pizza gate is real, this stuff is really happening' is the EVIDENCE - it's seeing posts that are clearly written by people who are not crazy, people who have done a lot of work and have actually found out real facts, facts they can even see for themselves by following the links to the evidence.
So I think your worries are unfounded. There are other subs where people can post any and every theory- this is the one where the facts go, where we consolidate what it is that we actually know for sure and present it as coherently as possible. I think that makes complete sense.
[–] draegspir 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Every time I come here there are consistently ~1k users browsing. I don't think participation has gone down at all. Lack of upvotes could be due to lack of new information. Lower number of content submission could be due to rules resulting in better-groomed posts. Voat recently locked-down signups, so maybe that also contributes to lack of growth.
I haven't been paying attention to all the drama if it exists, but can you or someone point me in a direction that shows mods are compromised here? Like what critical posts were deleted, or who they banned/silenced?
I've mentioned this in a few other places, but I'm currently working on an iOS Voat app over at /v/voatify, so if it gets successfully published, maybe that can drive up participation and exposure.
[–] 7405486? 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago (edited ago)
Many (myself included) were expecting that when this leaked we'd see something more substantial that emails and code words. We expected that within a few days or weeks we'd have victims coming forward (we're going into months at this point).
Until we see people coming forward with (or leaking) video evidence that implicates individuals it'll become more and more difficult to actively support pizzagate.
I'm not contributing to the downvoating, but forgive me if I stop being interested until more substantial evidence is presented.
Where would victims go, how would they come forward? I believe there have been a few people who have made posts saying they were victims. But it's not like if they call the New York Times or CNN they'll be listened to, and they are probably not very trusting of the police given how LE has been implicated from the bottom up. Plus it seems Wikileaks has been compromised, or even if it hasn't, the rumours that it has been are everywhere, so if I was a victim I wouldn't want to go there.
I think we should somehow set up a way for victims to speak out and submit evidence if they have any, kind of like a wikileaks thing. No idea how to do it safely and effectively, but it could be like a proper citizens organisation - no links to any government agencies or departments, no links with or sponsorship from big business, no involvement with any corporate/mainstream media - just 100% nice normal people wanting to help each other out. The main problem is ensuring only nice normal people get involved with it. I actually think this is one of the most important things that should have been set up ages ago.
Creating a group like you're describing could too easily be corrupted. Those involved have connections, but they can't be everywhere.
Most people in law enforcement try to do the right thing and could be trusted as long as you kept working with the same people (avoid getting handed off). Going on liveleaks with a statement of being raped and naming names would also be a decent action.
I'm genuinely surprised none of the honest and moderate papers tried to be safe havens. Without someone in the media to give you a positive voice and make connections (or at least give this an honest listen) the PizzaGate group will fail.
[–] shakethetree 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
I am not sure this sub is the legit place to stay any longer. Today my post was flagged as "Possible Disinformation" without any notice or discussion. I have yet to hear back from one single Mod on the grounds for the mislabel. It is titled as follows: "Pizzagate Represents Only a Single American Franchise Within a Worldwide Child Trafficking Operation Known As Pedogate" and is found at https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1522318. My post of last week titled as follows: [Testimonial] I Was a Sex Slave to Europe's Elite at Age 6, was deleted under questionable violation of the rules. Found here: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1502398. Turns out the user named Gopluckyourself who aggressively petitioned to get my post on the testimonial deleted is now a Moderator!
[–] Millennial_Falcon 7 points -2 points 5 points (+5|-7) ago
I didn't put that flair on your post (https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1522318)), but I have removed it for you (see my comment in thread).
[–] echo-sierra 1 point 10 points 11 points (+11|-1) ago
Whilst you may claim that posts are being neutered, I would suggest it's more to do with being cautious with how we research and present findings. The MSM have already hooked on what I'm calling the "Blue Pill Narrative" where they deride the whole investigation as a nutcase conspiracy, cry out "fake fake fake", and base it all on a mistruth that Clinton and Podesta are masterminds running their operation from a secret lair under CPP.
We all know that's clearly BS, but with the clear disinformation drive by the MSM who are very likely getting their instructions from Brock's propaganda machine - see my findings with how the news publications are now repeating Media Matters story from a few days ago.
So, whilst I can see your concern about the neutering going on, I'm thinking it's more streamlining the investigation to maintain a clear, methodical approach to the research, whereas the crowd-sourcing that occurred on Reddit was riddled with shills and emotional outbursts that got the attention of their top brass who closed the sub down.
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[–] Millennial_Falcon [M] 8 points 1 point 9 points (+9|-8) ago (edited ago)
No, nobody has censored Saudi research. That's just completely false. We didn't even censor the Besta=Kline=Saudi narrative. I just alerted everyone that it seemed to be disinformation, as there was no real evidence for it. Now shills are trying to use that to discredit the mods (OMG you can't talk about Saudis here, Mods R CTR!!!1!!).