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[–] samhara 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Also, here you claim the psychos have gone "way beyond" MKULTRA; yet without any evidence of that. It's just your surmise.

I dispute that. To me, to push that is fear porn.

The techniques of torture are apparently ancient - if you look at woodcuts and torture machines of the past. Once you cut something up and kill it, how much more can you do?

They claimed their AI would pass the Turing Test by 2001; still has not done it. Year after year after year. All they have is "false - hope" dramatizations on the big screen. Fantasy., Fantasy of omnipotence - which they have not achieved.

That's why they like to torture children. It's a fantasy of omnipotence which will never be fulfilled, no matter how many people they kill. They are losers. That is why they have to hide.

Their AI is a dud.. And so much of what they do turns to shit. This is a much larger subject , but just for now note "Oh they have much worse torture than they ever did" or "ULTRA MKULTRA" "they must have by now"

I dispute..

I don't think they can send words into your head either. Nor can they attain immortality by up-loading their brain. Why are they such extreme Fails? Because their assumptions are wrong.

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[–] TruthIsProvidence ago 

"way beyond" MKULTRA; yet without any evidence of that. It's just your surmise.

I dispute that. To me, to push that is fear porn.

  • The operation began in the early 1950s

To dispute they've gone beyond MK Ultra in the last 60+ years during the CPU era seems pretty foolish.

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[–] anolegion 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I actually agree about the Turing Test, hard AI and even more moderate versions, since I consider AI a contradiction in terms. However, where there *have *been impressive advances is in neurosciences and genetics - both fields closely related to the (stated, and some alleged) goals of MKUltra, its (mostly Nazi) predecessors and presumably its (supposed) successors.

I also agree I speculated there, or rather deduced. Because if one believes as I do that the wave of SRA reports in the late 80s and early 90s wasn't a satanic panic or a consequence of outdated/suggestive interrogation methods, then one has to suppose that the people and cults performing these rituals have been doing so ever since.

Yet there hasn't been a similar surge in reports, or even a continuation of reports from psychiatrists of psychotherapists. To me this means they have either stopped performing these rituals/experiments/treatments, or they have tuned them so as not to ever make a survivor *credibly *talk about it ever again.

Again, I do not believe they have perfected mind control or even that such a thing is possible. All I'm saying is that they have many years of experience, in some instances spanning many generations, hiding, covering up, suppressing etc. any and all evidence of their crimes, making ample use of experience and expertise among LE and judiciary within their ranks.

What is ironic and interesting is that a non-initiate, even a scientist or psychologist, would find it very hard to even detect such advanced DID, precisely because it is impossible to distinguish between an integrated personality and a compartmentalized one, since the latter will likely believe herself to be the former, and we have no plausible test to decide such a question, much like Searle's Chinese Room.

Well, I digress, as you did ;). But I posted this before, and it seems relevant in this context. This is from a police investigator into the case of Paul Ingram, who was accused of, and confessed to, SRA back in the early 90s.

Thurston county undersheriff Neil McClanahan, mustached and trim, is the intense young man who headed up the investigation. He has thirty-two three-inch binders, which are filled with testimony, transcripts from interrogations, police reports, and other documentation on the Ingram case.

Asked about satanic crime, he rolls out a chart he has made that covers a good part of his office wall. The chart has hundreds of bubbles with interconnecting lines. Each of the bubbles contains a word or phrase that describes the activities of various satanic cults. They are words like "murder," "threats," "defecation on victims," "child pornography," and "ritual sacrifice."

"This is link analysis," McClanahan says of the chart. "If, for the last 150 years, law enforcement has been playing baseball, this stuff is tri-level chess. And a baseball and a catcher's mitt don't work when you're playing tri-level chess."

McClanahan believes satanic criminals are so sinister and clever that the normal legal procedures and safeguards do not apply. Scientific police work does not apply because the criminals never leave evidence. The normal measures of witness credibility must be abandoned, because most of the victims as well as the criminals have been brainwashed and programmed with misinformation.

Mother Jones magazine, jul-aug 1991

[Edited for emphasis]

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[–] Melitica ago 

What is ironic is that Mother Jones is shouting long and loud about all things that criticize anything close to Hillary and has published several commentaries on "fake news" and right wing conspiracies....specifically, pizzagate. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/12/trump-fake-news-michael-flynn-pizzagate

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[–] cosmicmind ago 

I replied to your comment, but am on my phone and can't find it.... it may be on a detached reply. Oops.

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[–] joey4track 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I understand what you are saying but that's being pretty defeatist. It's long past time this status quo has got to go. I don't care how long it's gone on and how entitled these monsters feel. Instead of trying to spread apathy we should be getting our rope and pitchforks. I'm sick of being surrounded by a nation of pedo defenders and pussies that just want to keep their heads down. So sick of all this crap.

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[–] anolegion 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Well I would like to believe you, but in Belgium they caught a lower lever trafficker with two kidnapped and abused girls in his shed, and a lot more in his closet. Many people in the judiciary and politics all the way up to the highest nobility were implicated. The Belgians held their 'white march' , of around 300.000 people in a country of barely 11 million.

Nothing happened. In fact, fifteen years later they had a suspected pedophile connected to Dutroux heading the government.

And they had the fucking evidence.

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[–] charmeuse 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

I feel certain that if the general population knew the full extent of the corruption in DC and elsewhere, that there would be a multi-million person march on DC that would shut it down. That is why the elites are so intent on disarming the citizens.

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[–] boomerbust ago 

Marches, even multi-million are only ignored but PITA to local LE.

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[–] blakejharrisnyc 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

It would be interesting to see if Trump would insult those protestors as well.

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[–] joey4track 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I agree. South Korea had 2 million in the streets a few weeks ago. And they got shit done. We could learn something from them.