[–] remedy4reality 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
It's so insidious, isn't it ? These government entities are spending tax dollars on doing the exact opposite of what they claim. They are profiting again on the backside with payoffs for child trafficking, child porn, organ harvesting, slavery..
It's the definition of SATANIC
[–] GhostshipResearch ago
The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children is not a government agency, that are a non-profit organization.
[–] remedy4reality ago
You would think they would be aware of the despicable record of charities and government agencies designed to actually HELP children.
[–] coincidencesmyass 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I voat that they are hindering the process. I saw a talk with Ted Gunderson where he said that he could find thousands of children annually if he had the budget they have, yet they locate very few.
[–] contrarianism 1 point 4 points 5 points (+5|-1) ago
They probably do just enough to remain credible
[–] theblackblood 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Further related reading: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1490216 and https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1511877
[–] cantsleepawink [S] ago
Thank you.
[–] theblackblood 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1490216/7338807 comment thread regarding the NCMEC, ECPAT, hotels and the Clinton foundation. Just now stumbled across some of this stuff.
[–] Infopractical 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Here is a quick thought on credibility: when I watched the video about Virginia kids being reported missing more (and the subsequent video explaining that VA might simply be the only state reporting well), I did the math and noted that the total numbers of children missing would still only be a few thousand if all states reported as well as VA does. But...500,000ish kids go missing every year. These numbers are so disparate that there is something that doesn't make sense. These numbers are not close to justified.
Now, it may be that the answer is simply 490,000 kids are found quickly out of those 500,000, but having watched the video reports from the 80s about how there are hundreds of young boys living on the streets in just a half square mile in Houston, turning tricks, I doubt it.
[–] cantsleepawink [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
Apparently it's the NCIC that compile data on missing children. Only accessible to FBI, law enforcment and researchers. The NCMEC numbers are simply the advertisements they have for missing children and is nothing to do with data compilation. How this works on a state by state basis is anybody's guess.
[–] Infopractical 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Thank you for this information and taking the time to reply.
Okay, then, if the NCMEC is an advertising group for missing children, then here is a composite thought to the big picture: it seems that maybe nonprofits around the world have been providing the Clinton Foundation with data. For instance, there was a Wikileaks email from 2009 describing the specific conditions regarding child trafficking in Haiti, which might as well be intelligence if your doing something like what George Webb suggests and creating brothels for miners or even just shipping kids without ID cards out to other countries.
So, could the NCMEC be a vehicle for data for pedophile networks? And could this be the real reason VA might have been coaxed into encouraging its officers to start following through with the reporting?
It makes a sick kind of sense. If there are pedophile "child hunters" (Buck's Hunting...) who scope out train stations and other kinds of places where children might find refuge and travel having not formed a good plan for where to go next, does this give them...photo ID of the kids?
I know one adult who ran away from home and was scooped up by a predator in California when she was 14. What she has told me about her ordeal sounds a lot like pizzagate experiences, including his acting like a handler with brainwashing by trauma. She told me that her handler scooped her up at a train or bus station.
[–] GhostshipResearch ago
Those YouTube videos about "a mysterious and alarming number of missing children in the DC area" are complete horsecrap. They were produced by people who have absolutely no clue about law enforcement, investigations, missing chilren, the purpose and proper use of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, or wuite frankly anything else. They didn't even bother to check their facts first.
It turns out that this has nothing to do with #Pizzagate.
The rates of children advertised as missing in the DC area on the NCMEC website are fully explainable and entirely normal, with no drastic month-over-month change.
There are not hundreds of permanently missing children in the DC area in any month.
A proper search of the NCMEC website will reveal the actual number of permanently missing children is less than twenty per year, to include runaways.
"Missing children" is not synonymous with "abducted".
They falsely maintain that the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children website is used as a database for reporting missing children - it is not. The advertisements uploaded and removed there on a daily basis cannot be used for statistical purposes by merely viewing them on any given date.
They did not request the statistical data that the NCMEC keeps about the advertisements they receive voluntarily by law enforcement agencies. Even if they had, they would have confused this to be a reflection of the actual number of missing children cases in the country, which is impossible to conclude.
They stated repeatedly that the NCMEC serves as open-source intelligence; it does not. Its purpose is an advertising agency for law enforcement missing person investigations.
The actual record of missing children is the NCIC, and the FBI releases the statistical data every year. This is the only comprehensive law enforcement database for missing persons in the country, and reporting to it is mandatory. They failed to obtain this data as well.
Then to make matters worse, instead of acknowledging and apologizing for their errors, RealyCalls went to far as to accuse the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children of being incompetent for failing to conform to their stated falsehoods.
RealityCalls did mention my attempt to help them correct the record and even quoted me, but condescendingly dismissed this input because of my use of capitalization in absence of the ability to use bold/italic/underline text features on YouTube. I capitalized every point that they got wrong, and they complained because I used too many caps...priceless.
[–] Infopractical ago
"Those YouTube videos about "a mysterious and alarming number of missing children in the DC area" are complete horsecrap."
They are no more horsecrap than all your playing around with numbers was horsecrap on the way to learning math. They very simply explanation that they indicated a "clearly immense simple distinction between Virginia and all other states regarding missing children," turned out to be (apparently) incorrect.
That doesn't mean there is nothing to learn from the data, as I've alluded to with additional thought experiments.
In the meantime, you might better question why all this research must be done publicly, which is problematic because it means that an organization that might be purely innocent and beneficial in nature is subjected publicly to experiments and speculation. Why is that? It's because after decades of known pedophile rings being mostly covered up time and again (in order to protect powerful people), the public now has the motivation and tools to conduct the investigations that our government refuses to conduct.
RealityCalls has done a nice service on one piece of this investigation, but that is in no way definitive of the sources of data, which are still obfuscated or unrevealed in important ways.
"Then to make matters worse, instead of acknowledging and apologizing...RealyCalls went to far as to accuse the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children of being incompetent for failing to conform to their stated falsehoods."
That's not what it sounded like to me. It sounded like she acknowledges that a step in the investigation that she undertook with her stats contact yielded information that shifted the relevant set of hypotheses. And that's...reasonable.
There is no point in being angry that the world has not yet conformed to your claimed omnipotence. Just explain your position as best you can and keep thinking about the problem.
[–] cantsleepawink [S] ago (edited ago)
Well, as far as I am aware the NCMEC only have figures on missing children that they ADVERTISE. And there is an annual figure of 800,000 missing children from Reuters http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-missing-children-idUSBRE83P14020120426. If you can clarify the situation that would be most appreciated because from my various conversations with individuals and agencies the situation is not clear - at least, as far as the public is concerned.
[–] Stellarjay ago
Numbers are so deceiving because they are always manipulated. Look this website and the upvoat/downvote manipulation, look at YouTube and the lying numbers. Look at hillarys pole numbers....all lies.
[–] cantsleepawink [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
The extent of the corruption is truly shocking. I was thinking today that it is only a citizen-based open source investigation and pressure from the grassroots that can begin to attempt any change. It's no wonder that data is being made available to us. If you work for any of the agencies or corporations or within government it is not possible to do anything. The rot has travelled too deep.
[–] GhostshipResearch ago
What you have written here is entirely false. "See recent law suit over the handling of child pornography" - The NCMEC was not “sued”, nor were they the defendant in a civil case.
This was a case in district criminal court, where a PEDOPHILE asserted his 4th Amendment protection against unwarranted searches and seizures in an attempt to get the childporn evidence collected against him by NCMEC thrown out.
The NCMEC isn't the badguy in this scenario, they are the champion.
The NCMEC surfs childporn sites and uses facial recognition software to help identify missing and endangered children, and forwards the evidence they gather to law enforcement. Webhosting companies also monitor potential childporn, forwards that data to NCMEC, who in turn forwards it to police.
In this District court decision the State prevailed, and the pedophile went to prison. The judge did not throw out the childporn evidence given to the police by the NCMEC.
This was a District court, not an Appellate or the Supreme Court, decision.
The District court judge found that the NCMEC violated the pedophiles 4th Amendment protections because they did not obtain a search warrant before opening the childporn files they received from AOL.
The judge’s reasoning was that the NCMEC was acting as an “agent” of the police, which would bind them to the same requirements as the police.
If the State had not prevailed, the decision would have been overturned on appeal, because the judge relied on colloquialism and advertising slogan to determine the NCMEC’s “agent” status, rather than the legal definition.
Having an admitted “close working relationship” is not sufficient. The Law enforcement agency would have had to have a) given the NCMEC specific instructions to act on their behalf in this case, and b) done so prior to the NCMEC taking action.
This was not the case, thus the NCMEC was not acting on behalf of the police, but merely on behalf of the victims of childporn. This is not only a right but a responsibility we all have, to uphold the law and even make citizens’ arrests.
The police would have had the obligation to obtain a warrant before opening the files that the NCMEC sent, however.
I believe there's alot going on with this group! https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1507993
[–] GhostshipResearch ago
Please provide the source that serves as a factual basis for these assertions, and further explain how these unfounded allegations have anything to do with #Pizzagate.
[–] Infopractical 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Don't forget that Amber Alert is where Hillary sent her convicted child trafficker friend Laura Silsby.
[–] mooteensy 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Laura Silsby keeps coming up, and yet it appears she is untouchable to LE...Hmm....
[–] GhostshipResearch ago
Laura SIlsby has nothing to do with Amber Alert.
She works for a compamy that sells an app that relays emergency info to your smartphone. The types of emergency messages include, Tornados, Hurricanes, floods, Traffic Accidents, and Amber Alerts.
By working for that company Laura Silsby is no more responsible for Amber Alerts as she is responsible for causing Tornados.
[–] remedy4reality 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
You're defending a child smuggler.
Nice work.
[–] cantsleepawink [S] ago
Yes, that's why I brought it up. These demons need to be exposed.
[–] Stellarjay 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I've noticed that they through out the odd amber alert to keep us imagining that they are doing something. What about the hundreds of thousands that go missing. Where are their amber alerts? Everything is subject to corruption because people just love money.