Incorrect, on a number of levels:
The context of "automation" is put into the current framework, this is your error in thinking.
automation will allow for decentralized self sufficiency.
once the first automated micro "farm" starts production, then it will provide excess.
then so on and so forth, the only simple requirements are freedom of certain keys, I.e enrgy etc.
automation won't occur without these.
the current framework wont fit an automation system.
[–] mojo4567 [S] ago (edited ago)
okay i will give you the point that as of now, certain barriers like energy, space, and cost will deter automation, you are right on that, our current world will not support the type of automation i am talking of. The future however, is anyones guess. However
Decentralized self sufficiency, yes, but the whole point of capitalism is that more people lose so that some can win (even if the ratio is 49.99 to 50.01), which means that in some shape or form there will be costs associated with "self sufficiency" (i know seems like an oxymoron, but its not) that will be an expense, even if that expense is less than a penny.
Cost of food does not impact birth rates noticeably, the biggest indicators are expenses (cost of living) and Income (unemployment)
therefore, in a capitalist society with expenses and income, it does not matter how self sufficient the citizens are, there will still be a natural decline in population
Now as a redditor in the comments below stated, all of this is true only if we continue with the current system. once communism or socialism takes over, then these statements are no longer true, and everything you said above is true.
This argument was all based on what i synthesized from the excerpts you gave me however. If you ment something entirely diffrent then what i took away please say so :)
EDIT: Also, i do agree though that in some form decentralization is the only way to go from here. I am an anarcho socialist though, so that is not a dirty word :)
Yeah well, "social system" will pretty much have less meaning in the future as well.
we will function under "configuration systems"
its' pretty simple look at it like "VOAT" there is more freedom here than "Reddit" more decentralization of info what do you call "VOAT" ?
well take that basic principal and expand it into a general configuration system, "socialism" doesn't really work like that, there will really be no "central distibution" in decentralization there might be a "network" and some "organization" but that's about it.
I don't have high hopes for this, but to prevent this we need to move away from a monetary system. No more money! What needs to be done, is move a resource base economy. Basically, what the Zeitgeist film serious advocates
Fair enough. Zeitgeist is not perfect, nor is any system. Consider this, with the degree in which technology affects our everyday lives (as we have this conversation over the Internet)and international commerce, how could we ever have a true decentralized system? More so, one that can't be so easily corrupted with the use of power through monetary power. I agree a super computer raises eyes brows, but the ideology behind the idea seems more appealing to me.
[–] faun 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Technology amplifies rifts between haves and the domimant majority of everyone else. Eventually these divides will lead to the long, ugly, and painful collapse of civilization until populations of have nots are low enough not to threaten the wealthy who will continue fighting amongst themselves for any remaining scraps of money or security as natural resource shortages increase. Overall, the only way I see out of this planet's current dilemma is a change in values which probably won't come easy since many people, myself imcluded, are usually pretty stubborn anyways.
[–] CarlosShyamalan 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
If in the future every work will be automated, and the burgoise wont distribute the produced goods for free, then there will necessary be a revolution. In this case socialism will solve all of the problems by taking away the means of production and giving them to the control of an AI that designs the mathematically perfect distribution of food and shelter to those who need it.
In the past, when the industrial revolution came, in every country there were either reforms or open rebellions and revolutions, that severly crippled the factory owners (seriously we think its bad today? It was way worse in the european monarchies without any securities or benefits whatsoever).
Yes, i fully agree. a very astute point. This does merely label what would happen if we continued at current trajectory, however i think as long as it will benefit the rich to keep the current system going, to decrese population, then it will stay. revolutions merely change who is on top (most times).
[–] jervybingly ago
I think the elite will manage the depopulation and I think the plans and tech are ready to go at any time they decide.