[–] superesper 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago (edited ago)
While I agree that what OP suggests would be a good idea if only for organizing our ideas and helping us to present more convincing arguments to the public, I don't understand the mindset of the people looking into this issue who are somehow maintaining the illusion that law enforcement or the justice system is going to do anything about this, or that if they did, it would be for any other reason than to make an example of a few chosen scapegoats in order to protect the rest of the system. What you're learning about through pizzagate is the system of control that's operated on this planet for at least centuries if not millennia. It will not be brought down by the compliance-enforcement wing of that very system.
The most important thing you can do is continue to spread the information to everyone you know so that they can't put it back in the bottle.
I totally agree. I think however it is not a bad idea to take this OPEN SOURCE idea and use it to populist strengths and to creating the idea of citizen justice. Bureaucratic justice is an oxymoron. Open source convictions. Open source trials. Expand the jury idea. We need new fresh ideas and not recycling old patriarchal dead mechanics. Digital realities make this possible, but it is our courage and imaginations that can make it real, if we believe it is possible. Pizzagate may be the lynchpin to "another world is possible" as the left likes to say.
[–] justanotherone ago (edited ago)
The truth! Although it might be possible, it will require a massive push, the system is corrupt and made to be that way but as long as public pressure is strong enough and as long as there are some non-corrupted elements within the system it is POSSIBLE for it to work for us and more than just a few scapegoats. But this thing is going to have to be blown wide open to a huge degree to make them go after the whole "entity" and not just a few players. For that we need more than we currently have, especially since the media aren't going to do the job of getting this out there, it will need to be utterly EXPLOSIVE and beyond question. We need video proof of these crimes (but not anything that would be considered child porn) as that is the only thing I think that will be unstoppable. Otherwise we pretty much have to rely on the FBI and on the system to come through, but even then it is pretty doubtful that could lead to taking down the whole global criminal ring.
The only other option is for we the people to act on our own, to make new organizations that act, make our own government. I have been wondering if the people to creating globalism but in an effort ironically to fight it. We could try and create a grass-roots organization that creates a structure. We can't make new governments within a country so easily without trouble, but there is nothing stopping us from beating them to the punch in creating a sort of collectivist anti-elite organization! All government is made up, so let's make up our own one, and let's have this be it's first goal!
The ironic part here is that this information is not helping us unless it leads to these people being done away with, if it leads to anything less then it just disempowers and sickens and pollutes the public but they still continue on, we have to be determined that will not happen. As such I think we need to make sure video proof happens, and before that kind of thing becomes too meaninglessly easy to fake. Now is the time. But this means that we need to either hack/take the recordings they have, or we need to film them doing this stuff by secretly installing hidden cameras. Alas that is much easier said than done!
[–] Faustian 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
It's going to be a clusterfuck for quite some time, but that's okay, because a civil investigation like this requires people to make whatever connections they can in the hopes that others can make more connections from that information. The more connections made, the more leads that may eventually reveal concrete proof of criminal activity. Limiting that information now suffocates potential leads, imo.
[–] stickittotheman 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Yes... Ive said this in several threads trying to limit the investigation to concrete evidence. Weve gotten this far by playing connect the dots and considering everything they do is "hidden in plain site" this is one gigantic puzzle we are unraveling here. Let the legal team that is going to convict them when they finally start bringing them to trial decide on what is most valid to the case, meanwhile keep digging, this is like panning for gold, you dont throw away the small nuggets. Keep accumulating leads and connecting the dots.
[–] Millennial_Falcon 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
What we need is a smoking gun, because frankly, that's the only way this will get brought down (unless the white hats in government decide to risk an uprising and prosecute it). We need to think like a prosecutor version of Saul from Breaking Bad. We need to get that smoking gun by whatever means. Even if the smoking gun isn't admissible in court, publicizing it would generate enormous public pressure.
[–] ababcb [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I am not sure we need to look for the one and only "smoking gun" but rather all of the smaller smoking guns that could implicate individuals involved in this grand conspiracy.
There's enough information here for people to be taken down one at a time in "isolated" court cases and if enough of them go down the network they are running will become clearer.
[–] stickittotheman ago (edited ago)
Yes... Its all valid data. .. Im sure the FBI has the smoking gun already probably 100x over... everything we are gathering is just more evidence to convict them...and dont underestimate the squealers that will try to save their own asses once it starts unraveling... it will be a beautiful sight to behold. I wouldnt be surprised if some small time rats have already approached the police because they dont want to go down with the rest of them. I dont expect anything to start happenning until Trump is secure in the position. If nothing happens after that, then its time to bring out the pitchforks.
[–] Royce_of_Veason 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
There are 15 types of (presentable) evidence (this is a basic and general resource). Most of what we have is character, circumstancial, and maybe a loose framework of demonstrative. It might not be a bad idea to sort what we have by type and rank them by strength. Any JDs or LLMs in the room?
[–] HomeboyChris 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
We have digital evidence. And analogical evidence that he's lying about a chamber below the building.
[–] janedoe77 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
Do you really think US courts would take this up? The Supreme Court justice just murdered was a rape and torture pedo (Scalia). I think perhaps thinking internationally, as an open source, sort of a new Nuremburg Trial but overseen by a civil society court, or the ICC if open-source civil society rules would be demanded. I think this is the time to think more creatively because obviously official agencies and courts' and law enforcement hands have been tied. Even if you have all of your evidence, most of it would be thrown out. The 1987 presidio cases threw out most testimony and medical evidence of children with STDs such that only one count of abuse was admitted to. CHeck that San Jose Mercury News piece. The crisis is is that there is NO legal authority or court that they do not control. So I don't know where the "case" would go.
But it need not be GAME OVER. I think people should think more like media people here. Outrage will grow about this internationally if the media pressure is kept up. So, I think FBIanon is right in saying the task here for now is to maybe put this together in a compelling way and circulate it and pressure media to cover it. Maybe have an active media strategy implemented now: a website primer, maps, media contact list, NGO that shit in other words. The Daily Show is dropping this like a hot potato because Alt media has not covered it; they are basking in their fake glory of a fake election upset. I have been reaching out to Alt media but they are really silent as well or faking coverage like Alex Jones, or covering it as just another story. Or covering as a denial and bringing on MI5 agents like Richie Allen. Gossip rags like the Inquirer and the Mirror may print some of this since they already have. The UK is a lynchpin because McCann was a huge media case. There is also a clip that we should use of Trump at the roast the night after the final debate with Clinton -- the ALfred E Smith dinner. One of his jokes (he was actually really good here) was yadda yadda Hillary wrote the book, It Takes a Village; she should know— she's taken plenty." Trump knows and I don't think you can call that circumstantial, not in light of Silsby. But of course Trump frequented sex slave island. These are my ideas on it for now. I am really disgusted by the silence across the political spectrum and the blase attitude by some who have known about SRA but are not using this opportunity to press the issue.
[–] UglyTruth 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
What court room? The civil process doesn't cope well with accusations made against "lawmakers".
At common law the people own the facts, with the original method of resolving disputes being by oath. Oath helpers would assist by swearing to the honesty of those testifying directly to the matter in dispute.
[–] CJJacobs 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
Um, yea...no.
We need every last scrap of evidence -- circumstantial or otherwise -- because one never knows which tiny spark of info. is going to ignite the entire flame for the case.
People are organizing it as best they can ....if you need info. better organized (I know I do too), may I suggest doing it on your own computer?
Make folders and subfolders to keep track of things. Also, someone has made a pizzagate wiki somewhere....that should be good for something.
Sorry...we need as many leads as possible to keep rolling in. A good researcher knows how to separate the wheat from the chaff and not get distracted by the process. Good luck!
[–] GenghisSean 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
I don't know much about criminal prosecution, but this cannot be overstated. The only thing preventing this investigation from becoming a witch hunt is to assume nothing and verify everything. These people are very rich and can afford excellent lawyers. We need to ensure they are convicted for every single crime they've committed.
[–] 7051462? 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
You need to use this information to locate actual victims. Short of linking these people in power with missing and/or exploited children with names, faces, and family, you have a whole bunch of truly unsettling information that doesn't lend itself to an indictment. You need to connect these missing children by name in the the businesses, charities, and organizations ran by these demons. I'm betting there are some photos out there from these "philanthropic organizations" with children that mysteriously disappeared - track down these kids.
The only way to bring down these demons are witnesses.
Pure and simple.
[–] momadona 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Bravo! This cannot be overly stressed. Speaking of verification...has the source (aside from reddit) for the code words ever been revealed? It may have been, even here on Voat, and I just missed it. Without verification of those words by some pedo site, gov't site, or similar, the defendants can claim the words mean virtually anything. Since this is the cornerstone of this investigation and interpretation of the emails, it's important. Thank you for your post, btw!
[–] NotAnIdiot 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
There isn't really one source it's just common knowledge on the deep web.
[–] CJJacobs ago (edited ago)
I think there is a good point here -- that excellent lawyers and the coverup of the CIA and DOJ cannot be overstated. We are up against Goliath.
Keep in mind that if this exposes anything, it is that much of our government HAS TO HAVE BEEN compromised in order for things to get to this bad.
We are going to have to think of corroborating with those few remaining persons in gov. agencies who have NOT been compromised and think in terms of working with this new administration to push for overhaul of multiple departments.
[–] Sciency ago
This is smart, but I can't think of any simple way to vet them without causing them to expose themselves as enemies to some of their colleagues. This is hydra-tier stuff for sure...