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[–] superesper 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

While I agree that what OP suggests would be a good idea if only for organizing our ideas and helping us to present more convincing arguments to the public, I don't understand the mindset of the people looking into this issue who are somehow maintaining the illusion that law enforcement or the justice system is going to do anything about this, or that if they did, it would be for any other reason than to make an example of a few chosen scapegoats in order to protect the rest of the system. What you're learning about through pizzagate is the system of control that's operated on this planet for at least centuries if not millennia. It will not be brought down by the compliance-enforcement wing of that very system.

The most important thing you can do is continue to spread the information to everyone you know so that they can't put it back in the bottle.

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[–] janedoe77 ago 

I totally agree. I think however it is not a bad idea to take this OPEN SOURCE idea and use it to populist strengths and to creating the idea of citizen justice. Bureaucratic justice is an oxymoron. Open source convictions. Open source trials. Expand the jury idea. We need new fresh ideas and not recycling old patriarchal dead mechanics. Digital realities make this possible, but it is our courage and imaginations that can make it real, if we believe it is possible. Pizzagate may be the lynchpin to "another world is possible" as the left likes to say.

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[–] justanotherone ago  (edited ago)

The truth! Although it might be possible, it will require a massive push, the system is corrupt and made to be that way but as long as public pressure is strong enough and as long as there are some non-corrupted elements within the system it is POSSIBLE for it to work for us and more than just a few scapegoats. But this thing is going to have to be blown wide open to a huge degree to make them go after the whole "entity" and not just a few players. For that we need more than we currently have, especially since the media aren't going to do the job of getting this out there, it will need to be utterly EXPLOSIVE and beyond question. We need video proof of these crimes (but not anything that would be considered child porn) as that is the only thing I think that will be unstoppable. Otherwise we pretty much have to rely on the FBI and on the system to come through, but even then it is pretty doubtful that could lead to taking down the whole global criminal ring.

The only other option is for we the people to act on our own, to make new organizations that act, make our own government. I have been wondering if the people to creating globalism but in an effort ironically to fight it. We could try and create a grass-roots organization that creates a structure. We can't make new governments within a country so easily without trouble, but there is nothing stopping us from beating them to the punch in creating a sort of collectivist anti-elite organization! All government is made up, so let's make up our own one, and let's have this be it's first goal!

The ironic part here is that this information is not helping us unless it leads to these people being done away with, if it leads to anything less then it just disempowers and sickens and pollutes the public but they still continue on, we have to be determined that will not happen. As such I think we need to make sure video proof happens, and before that kind of thing becomes too meaninglessly easy to fake. Now is the time. But this means that we need to either hack/take the recordings they have, or we need to film them doing this stuff by secretly installing hidden cameras. Alas that is much easier said than done!

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[–] GenghisSean 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I don't know much about criminal prosecution, but this cannot be overstated. The only thing preventing this investigation from becoming a witch hunt is to assume nothing and verify everything. These people are very rich and can afford excellent lawyers. We need to ensure they are convicted for every single crime they've committed.

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[–] CJJacobs ago  (edited ago)

I think there is a good point here -- that excellent lawyers and the coverup of the CIA and DOJ cannot be overstated. We are up against Goliath.

Keep in mind that if this exposes anything, it is that much of our government HAS TO HAVE BEEN compromised in order for things to get to this bad.

We are going to have to think of corroborating with those few remaining persons in gov. agencies who have NOT been compromised and think in terms of working with this new administration to push for overhaul of multiple departments.

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[–] Sciency ago 

We are going to have to think of corroborating with those few remaining persons in gov. agencies who have NOT been compromised

This is smart, but I can't think of any simple way to vet them without causing them to expose themselves as enemies to some of their colleagues. This is hydra-tier stuff for sure...

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[–] momadona 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Bravo! This cannot be overly stressed. Speaking of verification...has the source (aside from reddit) for the code words ever been revealed? It may have been, even here on Voat, and I just missed it. Without verification of those words by some pedo site, gov't site, or similar, the defendants can claim the words mean virtually anything. Since this is the cornerstone of this investigation and interpretation of the emails, it's important. Thank you for your post, btw!

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[–] NotAnIdiot 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

There isn't really one source it's just common knowledge on the deep web.

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[–] 7051462? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You need to use this information to locate actual victims. Short of linking these people in power with missing and/or exploited children with names, faces, and family, you have a whole bunch of truly unsettling information that doesn't lend itself to an indictment. You need to connect these missing children by name in the the businesses, charities, and organizations ran by these demons. I'm betting there are some photos out there from these "philanthropic organizations" with children that mysteriously disappeared - track down these kids.

The only way to bring down these demons are witnesses.

Pure and simple.