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[–] Rask-II 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I like the hypothetical war scenario where the US retakes it and colonists leave, but if let go, losing California would result in the border DOUBLING in size.

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[–] watch_listed 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yes, and then we should clone Sherman and let him lose in San Diego and tell him not to stop until he hits Oregon.

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[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The next Sherman may be from Dixie too. One of history's great ironies.

But if California secedes I could see a scenario where large numbers of Mexicans get driven out of America as the US military advances.

In short the ideal is to keep California and lose the invaders. There would be no issue without them. California used to be the land of Nixon and Reagan.

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[–] 1Icemonkey 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

It can't happen without a change in the constitution requiring a 2/3 state vote. Or something like that. I live in Ca., in the conservative northern half. We just want our state of Jefferson.

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[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I was thinking along the lines of actually becoming a military threat or a conduit for foreign interests like Cuba was during the Cold War. It could play host to Chinese troops in the future, host missiles, etc., like Cuba did with Russia. For obvious reasons it'd also tend to side with Mexico.

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[–] immatureusername 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Fuck no, washington will not be joining california. If anything we will become our own country and to hell with the rest of you. Fuck the 9th circut court. Cali can keep that bullshit. People will die if they try to push a washington cali bs. Fuck you california. Leave washington alone. We will cut your electricity and fresh water if you push us.

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[–] 1Icemonkey ago 

None of our water comes from Washington.

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[–] immatureusername 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Well i know your motherfuckin electricity does. Hahaha.

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[–] Big_Willy_Wallace 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

If they want to, yes. And we have no right nor moral grounds to force them to stay. To oppose secession is to oppose the sovereignty of a collection of people who wish to peacefully withdraw from the central government to pursue their own majority rule. Opposing secession is dictatorship, and it is a moral atrocity. If Californians overwhelmingly wish to secede, there is no moral ground to stand on in depriving them that sovereignty. Our country seceded from the British Empire, and we are hypocrites to prevent secession from our new American Empire.

What is really stupid about this though is that Californians don't want to secede at all. The Left survives of the backs of the Right, both in their material necessity and their existential longing to impose their lifestyle and ideology on as many people as they can possibly force to adopt it. Their lust for control over others knows no bounds, and it certainly does not allow for downsizing of their sphere of control.

This Californian secession thing is pure hooplah generated to keep us from talking about the Clinton/Podesta child sex-trafficking ring in the upper echelons of world government. Stay spicy, my friends. Shut up with the California.

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[–] Cacciaguida 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Really, I guess the Confederacy will rise again with that logic.

No, Americans should not support the balkanization of their country.

Too bad, it's our land now.

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[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I don't agree that there is some transcendent right to secede from the union. But in California's case it'll likely be a Mexican driven project if it happens. Mexicans that are relatively recent arrivals and whose forebearers came illegally in many cases. I think that severely undermines any moral argument on their behalf. It'd just amount to colonists grabbing land from the United States in effect.

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[–] Cacciaguida 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

California is unfortifiable alone. Try defending the mojave

Where would they get water?

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[–] 6972887? ago 

California is home to the two largest ports in the US. Don't think we could take the hit on imports.

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