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[–] EyeSeeYou 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

It is easy to figure out why. Just look at what's in front of you. https://sli.mg/v0znz0

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[–] AxolotlThanksaLotl 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I think this community is 'beginning to fracture' BECAUSE of your 'discussion' of Jews. Between that and some of the other stuff on here, which honestly drives it off-topic and pretty much makes it very similar to /pol/, I would honestly leave right now and go somewhere else to talk about pizzagate...if there was anywhere else to go, which there isn't really at the moment. Seriously, almost all of the theorizing about Jewish people I've seen here hasn't been remotely helpful, or even relevant, and how much of it's presented is not in a neutral way. There are so many other people involved in this that are not Jewish. If there's some reason to bring this up - some reason that someone's faith actually becomes relevant - why not bring it up then? Organized religion can obviously become a huge problem in some cases, but all I'm seeing here is theorizing about it, and even though you may personally consider yourself not biased, I've seen many people who really are, and seem like they've tricked themselves into thinking all Jews are terrible, not just the ones who've done terrible things. I'm not saying people should censor themselves, just maybe but this stuff to the side for now unless it really becomes relevant, instead of just theorizing. Someone now is setting up QR codes in public that lead straight to this subverse. Many, if not most people will leave immediately if they see posts like this. It doesn't matter how right you think you are, or how right you may be, the point is that unless someone being Jewish becomes relevant to this investigation stop incessantly bringing it up because you think you're being censored. I don't even think the people bringing this up are shills, I think the people bringing this up are that clueless as to how badly most people will take what you're saying. Does that mean ignoring evidence if it comes up if it's about a Jewish person? Of course not! But bringing this up every single day in multiple threads is NOT helpful. Go ahead and look into this stuff if you feel like it, but stop posting about it every day.

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[–] KosherPizza [S] 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Nobody is saying it's all Jews. What we are saying is that Jewish occultism is at the Center of Pizzagate. That's a fact. We aren't telling people what to do with this information. This only became an issue because mods started purging and banning users for mentioning Jews.

They have a rule " don't mention any race or religion except Satanism".

Well Satanism is a wing of Judaism and Jews are an ethnicity as well.

See how the rules obstruct open discussion of relevant information?

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[–] 6961999? 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I'm not really sure it's all about jewish occultism quite frankly.

I would rather go for outright hardcore human tafficking organized crime network on a scale rarely seen before. And I wouldn't be surprised if key players are jewish mobsters. Remember, saudis and UK's rulling classes are heavily into hardcore pedo stuffs.

Remember who were the biggest clinton donors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_mafia

In Israeli politics[edit]

In 2010, it was reported by Wikileaks that the United States Embassy in Israel, expressed grave concern that Inbal Gavrieli, the niece of one of Israel's most powerful mafia families, had been elected to the Knesset as an MK for the Likud party.[4]

http://www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-of-slaves-in-israel-global-study-finds/

Israel has as many as 8,500 slaves, according to a new comprehensive study of worldwide slavery. Israel placed 111 out of 162 slave-holding countries in the Global Slavery Index 2013, recently published by the Australian Walk Free Foundation. Mauritania was found to have the most serious slavery problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Israel

The U.S. State Department's "Trafficking in Persons Report, 2012" and "Trafficking in Persons Report, 2013" raised Israel's rank to Tier 1 after having ranked Israel Tier 2 between 2007 and 2011.[1] (A Tier 1 ranking is the highest rating given to a government that "has acknowledged the existence of human trafficking, has made efforts to address the problem."

Yeah.

That said, the, "it's the jews" line, will lead us nowhere.

Jews have elites, jews have mafias, too.

I highly doubt my 90 something neighbor is into somekind of worldwide conspiracy revolving around child trafficking and santanism.

It's vital to be accurate here.

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[–] AxolotlThanksaLotl 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Some people do give the impression that they seem to think it all comes down to Jews (then again, those people seem to think all Jews, even just totally average people off the street, have a secret agenda). I'm absolutely not against discussing religion here if it's relevant and helpful to this investigation, but when it comes down to it, talking about Judaism here has definitely caused some problems, including:

  1. Some people here really are blatantly antisemitic, and are even Hitler-apologists. Many people aren't, and I'm not saying you are, but you can maybe understand why the mods have had to delete topics about this - it attracts those people that are extremely antisemitic. There are people here who are either trolls, shills, or just so blatantly unaware of how much most people will disagree with their view. I have to say, I think you fit into one of those categories considering the fact that every comment and thread you've posted has been about this topic. Also, everyone so far here who's had a name specifically relating to Jews/Hitler/etc has fit into that category as well. What are you trying to accomplish here?
  2. Much of the so-called discussion hasn't been remotely helpful, and has seemed more like baiting or has been extremely biased because it's posted by people who are already biased
  3. There have been WAY too many posts about this over the past few days, and then follow-up posts by people retaliating if their posts were deleted.
  4. Quite frankly, I think you should consider very carefully whether it's worth it to post about this. If you really think it's genuinely helpful information, and you're doing so in an objective way, not with the all-too-common-on-places-like-/pol/-mentality that all Jews are out for world domination, then I don't think you should censor yourself or feel like you're being censored, but otherwise, definitely keep in mind how that info will look to newbies coming here. We should want as many people as possible to join in on this investigation, but many people will leave after seeing some of the posts and comments here. I guess to some extent it comes with the territory (I didn't realize how much Voat is like /pol/ - actually maybe worse in some ways since 4chan is expected to be offensive/racist and many people don't take it seriously), but that doesn't mean this subverse has to allow incredibly unhelpful conversation that is a detriment to the credibility of this investigation. I'm against over-moderation and censoring information, but some level of trimming is definitely needed, and the mods do seem to be transparent about it here.

I'm trying to be reasonable and fair here, but quite frankly I'm starting to wonder if this subverse is full of people trying to discredit the whole thing by posting stuff like this.

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[–] connornm777 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Say something useful or GTFO.

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[–] UncookedSpirit 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Yeah, well, a lot of the involved people aren't Jewish and a lot of the people fighting it are Jewish. And I've been beaten multiple times for being Jewish even though I'm not so I don't put up with people that speak like you.

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[–] stumpedatonce 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

No it's not. No matter how many times you say this.

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[–] KosherPizza [S] 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

The original mod of Pizzagate said this himself.

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[–] rrdesc 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

Yeah, right, the multi-billion dollar jewish/zionist conspiracy which controls the MSM invest annually billions of dollars in relentless and never-ending propaganda against... the state of Israel. That makes so much sense. Because that's what they have been doing (everywhere, not only in the US), in case you haven't been paying attention.

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[–] KosherPizza [S] 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

They don't focus much on Israel, and it's called controlled opposition.

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[–] justiceforever 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Instead of bitching and making us look racist how about you dig through the emails and find us some leads

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[–] Cometpizza 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Judaism isn't a race. This is an observation upon the Jewish religion.

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[–] contrarianism 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Judaism is not the religion of Moloch. If anything this is a sect of Judaism, like Christianity.

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