[–] hyunlee 1 point 26 points 27 points (+27|-1) ago
I'm really big on privacy. With that said: if you're on public grounds, anyone should be able to record what's going on. If you're on private grounds, you're also agreeing with the terms of what the owner of the land has set.
Like with most things, if you don't like it, don't use it.
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[–] hyunlee 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
I haven't heard of any movement towards a "no surveillance zone" happening whereas I'm seeing a huge movement with "cameras everywhere."
The thing is, I have surveillance at home for the sake of security. People naturally feel safer with these things.
Am I scared of third party companies watching me or collecting data on me? Of course. Everyone should be at this point.
[–] didntsayeeeee 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Yes, it's one of those things where automation allows a difference of degree to rapidly become a difference of kind.
Obviously if I go out in public I have to be comfortable with the fact that somebody might recognise me. If I go to my local cafe they'll say "Hey, it's didntsayeeeeee" again, I bet he wants a cappuccino" and I'm okay with that.
But automate that procedure so that the supermarket's computers not only recognise my face, they've connected it to my name (via my credit card) and are also monitoring me as I walk around, seeing how long my eyes linger on each product on the shelves, so they can design ads specificially for me -- that's getting creepy.
On another hand, if you'd told me fifteen years ago that Google was not only going to read my email to optimise my search results (and ads, I suppose) but also to pop up little tags on google maps reminding me exactly what hotel I'd be staying in and when -- then I would have found that creepy. But now I just find it just plain useful.
Perhaps we all need to get used to the idea that we're being monitored by big impersonal data-mining algorithms and quit finding it creepy the same way we'd find it creepy if an actual person were paying attention to us. Ultimately I don't know, but this kind of thing is gonna happen and we need to either nip it in the bud or start accepting it.
[–] DanielKurlan 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago (edited ago)
we have to think about the possibility that there will be few places to go where your not 'under surveillance'
This is exactly why the "well its private property they can do what they want" mentality is dangerous.
[–] FreeSpeachRocks 0 points 24 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago
Seems to me there are differences with scale. It's one thing to see someone and identify them because you know them, it's a different thing to have a database with everyone's information and be able to identify everyone -- particularly if this becomes a 'shared' database.
It is fairly reasonable to presume that these images will be linked with other data, e.g. identifiers, buying history, bank or credit data. Further under current US law, the Government has access to all of it at any time and it is illegal for you to be notified.
This gives me pause.
[–] HoneyNutStallmans ago
In Germany, it is generally OK to take pictures of random people. The problem is that you are generally not allowed to publish photos of these people without permission.
[–] ImReallyHighBut 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
I'll not accept blindly the decrees of a greedy master.
[–] ProjectShamrock 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Even better, removable facial tattoos.
Unfortunately, these databases already exist and are tied to your credit cards/debit cards, so adding your face just serves to deepen their information.
Well I was thinking of the scenario that facial Recognition will be the identifier and not necessarily the name you give though that too will work. It depends on the shift. If demand for the tech rises, I could see it replacing any ID or Verification, since it'll be pooled by all other data that has been acquired. In either scenario the coming debates look appetizing.
[–] Nadrik 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
I'm having a hard time bringing myself to care about this. Hundreds to thousands of people scan our faces every day already. We're in a public place. Video surveillance already exists. I feel like they're just trying to make this sound scary when it's really not a big deal.
[–] yewbontheboat 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
"Greetings [Nadrik], welcome to Walmart since you bought some [hemorrhoid cream] from amazon check out aisle 12 for our store brand of [hemorrhoid cream]"
More likely than you think.
[–] ImReallyHighBut 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
As if I need an additional reason to avoid the insanity of "shopping"
Break the law
[–] crashdrillit 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
not sure if this is a particularly scary thing; realistically your face can generally be recognised by security staff already this is just an example of automation taking over/sharing the strain to my point of view
I can't remember if it was in a seminar or on a news article but I have definitely seen the same thing being done using techniques other than facial recognition such as gait analysis http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528835.600-cameras-know-you-by-your-walk.html#.VYFpaPlVhBc
security conscious intermittent pirate amble
[–] LostnTired 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Good thing I rarely go to 'brick and mortars' any more.
[–] 9-11 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
theres a few good videos on this, essentially to break the detection software you must shield the bridge of the nose and brow areas as much as possible, without looking like a freak with one of those on. they found a large 'blue blocker', old floridian style sunglasses brand that hid enough to break it, they look like science googles almost.
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[–] TurpenoidFever 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
So if we all opt out do they have to follow everyone?
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[–] LongestUsernameEver1 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
All they have to do is put a "5$ off next purchase" coupon on the opt-in and 95% of people will do it.
[–] big_fat_dangus ago
While I don't agree with what they want to do, how is it any different from the video recording in stores that's already widespread and more or less accepted?
[–] mtndewaddict 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I believe it would be similar to having your finger prints taken upon walking inside the store. Sure it could be useful if some property is damaged and they have your prints, but I feel like that is a step too far. Or maybe that's a bad analogy.
[–] FreeSpeachRocks 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Nothing like being presumed guilty.