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[–] hyunlee 1 point 26 points (+27|-1) ago 

I'm really big on privacy. With that said: if you're on public grounds, anyone should be able to record what's going on. If you're on private grounds, you're also agreeing with the terms of what the owner of the land has set.

Like with most things, if you don't like it, don't use it.

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[–] FreeSpeachRocks 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

Seems to me there are differences with scale. It's one thing to see someone and identify them because you know them, it's a different thing to have a database with everyone's information and be able to identify everyone -- particularly if this becomes a 'shared' database.

It is fairly reasonable to presume that these images will be linked with other data, e.g. identifiers, buying history, bank or credit data. Further under current US law, the Government has access to all of it at any time and it is illegal for you to be notified.

This gives me pause.

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[–] hyunlee 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Keep in mind that your brain is sort of a database. Just not made out of metal/plastic bits and pieces.

And yes, it pains me as well. Hopefully humanity will turn around...

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[–] Shagoosty ago 

Just wear a scarf over your face.

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[–] xoitus ago 

Well said. It gives me a bit more than pause though, it gives me shudder. Data is within 50 years of being all knowing, I am not ready for it to be.

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans ago 

In Germany, it is generally OK to take pictures of random people. The problem is that you are generally not allowed to publish photos of these people without permission.

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[–] hyunlee 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I haven't heard of any movement towards a "no surveillance zone" happening whereas I'm seeing a huge movement with "cameras everywhere."

The thing is, I have surveillance at home for the sake of security. People naturally feel safer with these things.

Am I scared of third party companies watching me or collecting data on me? Of course. Everyone should be at this point.

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[–] DanielKurlan 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

we have to think about the possibility that there will be few places to go where your not 'under surveillance'

This is exactly why the "well its private property they can do what they want" mentality is dangerous.

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[–] didntsayeeeee 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yes, it's one of those things where automation allows a difference of degree to rapidly become a difference of kind.

Obviously if I go out in public I have to be comfortable with the fact that somebody might recognise me. If I go to my local cafe they'll say "Hey, it's didntsayeeeeee" again, I bet he wants a cappuccino" and I'm okay with that.

But automate that procedure so that the supermarket's computers not only recognise my face, they've connected it to my name (via my credit card) and are also monitoring me as I walk around, seeing how long my eyes linger on each product on the shelves, so they can design ads specificially for me -- that's getting creepy.

On another hand, if you'd told me fifteen years ago that Google was not only going to read my email to optimise my search results (and ads, I suppose) but also to pop up little tags on google maps reminding me exactly what hotel I'd be staying in and when -- then I would have found that creepy. But now I just find it just plain useful.

Perhaps we all need to get used to the idea that we're being monitored by big impersonal data-mining algorithms and quit finding it creepy the same way we'd find it creepy if an actual person were paying attention to us. Ultimately I don't know, but this kind of thing is gonna happen and we need to either nip it in the bud or start accepting it.

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[–] ImReallyHighBut 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'll not accept blindly the decrees of a greedy master.

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[–] DigitalRefugee ago 

if you don't like it, don't use it.

You realize you're saying that about going out in public, right?

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[–] damianm 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That's great and all, but it looks like it would draw a lot of unwanted attention from other people.

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[–] 9-11 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

theres a few good videos on this, essentially to break the detection software you must shield the bridge of the nose and brow areas as much as possible, without looking like a freak with one of those on. they found a large 'blue blocker', old floridian style sunglasses brand that hid enough to break it, they look like science googles almost.

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[–] TurpenoidFever 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

So if we all opt out do they have to follow everyone?

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[–] LongestUsernameEver1 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

All they have to do is put a "5$ off next purchase" coupon on the opt-in and 95% of people will do it.

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[–] FreeSpeachRocks 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Nothing like being presumed guilty.

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[–] big_fat_dangus ago 

While I don't agree with what they want to do, how is it any different from the video recording in stores that's already widespread and more or less accepted?

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[–] mtndewaddict 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I believe it would be similar to having your finger prints taken upon walking inside the store. Sure it could be useful if some property is damaged and they have your prints, but I feel like that is a step too far. Or maybe that's a bad analogy.

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[–] ImReallyHighBut 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

As if I need an additional reason to avoid the insanity of "shopping"

Break the law

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[–] DNick5000 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Time to go back to using cash for everything.

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[–] LongestUsernameEver1 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Where were you for the past 20 years when credit card companies were analyzing everything about?

Bet VISA already knows more about you than anyone except maybe google.

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[–] Nadrik 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm having a hard time bringing myself to care about this. Hundreds to thousands of people scan our faces every day already. We're in a public place. Video surveillance already exists. I feel like they're just trying to make this sound scary when it's really not a big deal.

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[–] Avnomke 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The difference here is that said people aren't connected to a database featuring everything about you.

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[–] yewbontheboat 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"Greetings [Nadrik], welcome to Walmart since you bought some [hemorrhoid cream] from amazon check out aisle 12 for our store brand of [hemorrhoid cream]"

More likely than you think.

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[–] Nadrik 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You're trying to make it sound embarrassing, but that sounds helpful as shit!

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[–] klongtoey 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

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[–] sergeantslate 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Hell facebook already builds a facial profile for you, I wouldn't be surprised if these companies buy that data and identify you before you set foot in a store.

Really the only thing you can do is boycott the stores if you don't like it (or get one of those crazy hairstyle makeup face scamblers). They are going to have to be careful because trust in American companies for privacy is not really there, and with a big enough reaction it will be abandoned.

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